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Tunisia until Sfax and Susa and also Tripoli. Also al-Nasir penetrated deep into the Sahara and held Ouargla could you please modify the map to compliment the sources more accurately and highlight them in green rather than the dotted lines as it was indeed all held during al-Nasirs reign, also the same for Tlemcen as the Hammadids never lost it until the Almoravid invasion. The Zenata Maghrawa state also ruled the entirety of the sous and Draa. If you need any more sources let me know. Thanks :)
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indicate in any way, it just says that a minority identifies as such (this is therefore a feeling: "only a minority identify themselves as primarily
Amazigh, about 15%"). Second, you remove an academic source that provides genetic data on the issue because it does not support your point of view (which is based on a falsification of the first source). Please do not appropriate the article.
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1) Please be specific and say which quote you are referring to in the CIA Factbook? Why not use the precise terms of the source "Arab-Amazigh 99%, European less than 1%"? Why cobble together a new synthesis based on felt identity (and therefore not a tangible fact)? We don't even know those who are
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Please consider reading the source again. It says that only 15% identify as Berber, while the demographics section in the article goes into further detail and supports the 85% Arab and 15% Berber figures. Furthermore, genetics are different from ethnic identity and do not belong in the infobox. The
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Good morning, The source is very clear: it indicates Arab-Amazigh 99%, European less than 1% My modification is therefore faithful to the source. It is you who are basing yourself on the note to mislead and make people believe that 85% of
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Algeria and it appears that many people, some of whom are actually from Algeria, are being strong armed by editors who put strictly conforming to every template policy over actually putting together a good encyclopedia page. in this context i was
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2) Why write an unpublished work of 15% Berber feeling (without specifying that it is about resentment) and claim that the other 85% are necessarily "Arabs"? On what basis? Are there also
Europeans? It is in reality an unprecedented task to consider that there are necessarily 85% Arabs. Otherwise
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a- This argument is purely opportunistic on your part, reference n°217: A Predominantly
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La ville de Tunis, devenue très florissante, en raison de la masse d'émigrés qu'elle avait recueillis, imita cet exemple. Elle envoya à En-Nacer une députation chargée de lui offrir sa soumission. Le prince hammadite accueillit avec empressement l'hommage des gens de Tunis, et leur donna,pour
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2) you only keep the mentions which arrange Arabization. Some turns of phrase are misleading (example: "Arabs and indigenous Berbers") while Britanica explains that what is perceived as Arab are in fact Arabized Berbers (and therefore not two different
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please provide the opposite mention? I already asked you for the quote, you ignored my request because it is not listed anywhere.
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