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We'll endeavour to provide an edit summary in future, but some of us have such little time to spare that it becomes a choice between not editing at all or a quick correction without a summary. We do appreciate that protecting
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hehehehehhe i totally overreacted, but i thought you are trying to make me (and the rest of my people) look like
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Thank you so much! Actually, I read Gaunt's book (from the library -- I no longer have it) and it is excellent. He was the one who proposed that the 275,000 estimate was most likely an underestimate and that it was probably around 300,000. These seem to be the most accepted numbers; however, noted
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now what? are we going to cooperate in the light of new sources and find a common groundĀ ?? kathovo i swear, i didnt mention a syrian identity , i only said that syrians identify as arabs and syriacs, so tell me if we are going to cooperate then we should cancel the
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Kathovo, do you know why "pqata d'ninveh" was removed from the
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Happy Kha b-Nisan! My assyrian brother! May you and your family and indeed all our families live in prosperity and happiness.
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