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Keuning was allready rather critical. For me GST is a paradigm that rose in the 1950s and declined in the 1970s. In the first General Systems Yearbooks you can see who people from different directions tried to contribute to a theoretical framework. Bringing them back to life would be nice... and analysing what went wrong. Now back to your American perspective. It can be that GST hasn't declined, or it did and rose again? And how important is it today? How many members has the ISSS left or did they all die? These are interesting questions... and it's nice to show where it all started. I wonder if there is even a mentioning in the Knowledge (XXG) of Boulding systems hierachie? -
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801:, i.e. the definition given in the first sentence (see discussion of Carter's original definition in the main body of the article). Your new explanation viz: "the universe as we see it exists essentially because life exists to observe it and vice versa." is not a rule of reasoning but a claim of a particular causal relationship, incorporating the controversial claim "the universe exists because life exists" (see discussion of the Barrow & Tipler SAP in the body of the article). This is very far from the "original" meaning of the anthropic principle.
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General Systems Theory). Tommy also had some issues with the gestalt image (which I commented on given all the disruption over the image). He secured copyright information for the use of the image. I will contact him if he would like to add it to the page. The page itself now is not perfect, but progressing.--
475:) Actually, I didn't notice - here in the Midwest USA we don't speak English very well either. Just joking. Though I'm not an expert, I know a fair amount about it as a generalist. I don't need much time doing the research, just in gathering sources. I just hope my working on it piece by piece is not too cumbersome (first, I needed to clean it up to see what we have to work with). It will be nice in the end. - 18:37, 8 May 2007 Kenneth M Burke
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