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several better sources available (mlb.com, bb-ref, and fangraphs) as external links. Unfortunately, no such websites are available for Negro league data, and the alternative of not providing statistical information to article readers strikes me as worse. Furthermore, as I tried to communicate above, Negro league data often don't lend themselves to simple summaries. And while I would have been sympathetic to a simple statement that the tables appear "cluttered," referring to them as "a huge ball of clutter" strikes me as disrespectful toward the editors who compiled them and perhaps even toward the player whose career is described by the statistics.
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that as it may, you have your opinion, I have mine, and they may certainly differ. I skimmed the prose and the sourcing of the article, noted the presence of what I consider to be an awful lot of stat tables (which exist in many player articles though there is consensus against them), and rated the article accordingly. The only goal I had today was to assess the "High"-importance articles that didn't have an article class for baseball. If you disagree with my assessment, you're free to ask another editor to review it and provide their opinion.
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BRMo, I have nothing against your work. I simply feel that statistical tables beyond a simple summary at the end of an article are violations of NOT#STATS and they make the end of the article look cluttered. I apologize if you took offense at my comment; to cause such was certainly not my intent. Be
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is really the best person to approach about stuff like this, she's always always happy to help out new image editors. The main imperfections that would need fixing on that image are the dust and scratches (easy fixes with the Clone and
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Independent of this discussion, that's fantastic news. Just so you're aware, I wasn't suggesting that you replace/remove all of the tables; a summary table or two is still more than fine. For this article in particular, condensing the tables to single row summaries would be more than sufficient.
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If there is a time in the future when you review a hook that I nominated and there is a quesion, I would like to be notified with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}. I don't often watch the hook but this time I was in luck after stumbling upon it while looking over other hooks. Thanks.
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process that, according to the article, will take four years), I'm convinced that people who are genuinely interested in the Negro leagues will appreciate having access to more data than single row summaries.
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Would you mind posting that source at the FLC? I'll respond and remove the 2nd place tie, I just want that source on the record because I think you've figured it out! (didn't realize there were ties at play)
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All right, I'm starting work on the ERA champions in my sandbox now; do you know if the main article is already anything or not? Will we make it a featured list or a good article?
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Triple Crown winners certainly isn't unrelated, as it's the focus of the topic, but you're right about the location. I'll move it to the year and adjust the key accordingly.
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Woot, congrats! Also, if you have any ideas for how to pipe the draft-pick topic idea, please speak up at the Wikiproject talk page. I dunno what to do with that one.
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I would take only the most basic crop until the very end. You don't want to work on area you're going to crop, but you also don't want to crop necessary stuff.
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The information that I am adding to Jayson Werth's bio is referenced and supported by hundreds of members of a facebook group. This is not controversial.
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I brought up a debate converning Jerry Grote and the Colt 45s at Knowledge talk:WikiProject Baseball. I'd like your input on the topic.--
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Oh OK, I got it. If we drop in both as general references or one as a gen ref and the other as an EL, that would be great.
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has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath
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3319:Jerry Grote
3287:quick check
3167:āPreceding
2993:Staxringold
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2802:JosƩ MƩndez
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2530:JosƩ MƩndez
2505:āPreceding
2424:Team colors
2375:quick check
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1709:Pat Burrell
1689:Killervogel
1623:Staxringold
1567:Staxringold
1447:images are
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1325:Staxringold
1299:Staxringold
1256:Staxringold
1232:Staxringold
1198:quick check
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1086:Staxringold
1036:Staxringold
973:Staxringold
967:BTW, check
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862:Staxringold
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36:This is an
3283:here's how
3187:Dodgerdave
3173:Dodgerdave
3067:DYK review
2371:here's how
2322:Epeefleche
2320:. Best.--
2060:HOF status
1194:here's how
969:my sandbox
106:Topic idea
98:ArchiveĀ 15
90:ArchiveĀ 12
85:ArchiveĀ 11
79:ArchiveĀ 10
3346:first one
3130:500 Level
3119:500 Level
2848:WP:MADEUP
2495:The Union
1465:talk page
428:Position
73:ArchiveĀ 9
68:ArchiveĀ 8
60:ArchiveĀ 5
3350:Dabomb87
3293:DYKSTATS
3181:contribs
3169:unsigned
2519:contribs
2507:unsigned
2416:Spitfire
2398:nominate
2381:DYKSTATS
2277:Dabomb87
2275:Cheers.
2234:Dabomb87
1520:Dabomb87
1502:Dabomb87
1463:or your
1445:Non-free
1428:Non Free
1204:DYKSTATS
168:Home run
3206:carrots
3026:at the
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2483:carrots
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1481:DASHBot
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431:Second
419:Player
39:archive
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3117:Merge
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935:lead.
916:, eg.
422:Total
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3105:Phils
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2868:Phils
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555:Phils
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442:2010
425:Team
416:Year
376:Phils
320:Phils
280:Maybe
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