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1213:) Hello Jytdog! Thank you the info. I have compeleted the COI disclosure on my user page, please let me know if there is any other information I should add. And yes absolutely Brianhe mentioned the process perviously and I have no problem going though WP:AFC and the peer review processes. I believe this would be good for the page as well to ensure all sources are good enough to back up any information provided. Thank you!
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towards the page in any way. Whoever edited the page may have failed to meet some of the wiki guidelines. As you suggested I have tried to contact the admin who deleted the page but I havn't heard any response yet. Is there any help from your end the article can recieve? Maybe the original editors did not cite things properly or did not use appropriate language.
617:) oh I see! ok yes that sounds good. I will go ahead and add factual based information along with references for each under the Nick Terranova Section. Thank you for this I will review those guidelines shortly. Please give me a day to add to the Nick Terranova section! I will inform you as soon as I have completed adding all the information that I researched.
316:) Hi Richard! Thank you for the info on Sandbox. I have already collected sufficient references and broke it down to the Musician notability criterion based on the Wiki guidelines but yes I will definitely start with Sandbox before posting on main wikipedia so I get all the formatting correct. I will be posting this soon! Thank you! :)
576:) I went through the Las Vegas EDM article its very well sourced. I will do some more research to see if there's other references and pieces of information that can be added. I see that for The Crystal Method you added the page for their Knowledge (XXG), is that the direction we are going with Starkillers page as well?
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Hey Brianhe! How's it going? Yes I am still continuing my internship. However, this semester I am also enrolled in full time university classes so I've had less time to work on the wikipedia page than I thought I would. Please give me some more time to finish it. I added more to the EDC and pool
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ok! I will do some more research on the Radio Show to find suitable references, if there are not enough references then I will take the KillerRadio section out. Once I have added all the info on my end, I will do a thorough review to ensure everything is well references and there is no use of
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Hi Brianhe I have started adding content under Starkillers section for the Las Vegas EDM draft. I still have to add more content and references please keep the headers in bold under his section that I left incomplete so I can add further content to it! Let me know if this looks ok so far :)
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239:) thank you so much for this info this really helps Richard! This is one of his hit tracks right here with its own Wiki page that charted in Belgium:
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