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history. I am sorry for that.I do not know how to move on from here. I refuse to write directly into the achieve. But I also realise that the discussion page off limits. I made the point to Jeff3000 that I was happy with just a link to the House of Worship in the Baha'i page and had no intention to make so much out of deletes (although I have had a few pages that I have started wiped out and I never knew who did that as they just disappair. Deleting hurts my heart when it happens to me. I can say that I have never deleted another persons work. I have discussed points with them in their talk pages but I feel that deletes are a very sensitive matter. Knowledge suvives however with freedom to delete and I come back so I like staus quo. I have two wikipedia edits that I feel happy with . The first in my academic subject of genetics. i was able to link a scientific america paper with the date of DNA on the DNA wikipedia page and Have the first reference number. The second is that in the Israel wikipedai main page I have the first reference to the Baha'i faith on the page. when I went to the Israel page no mention of Bahai was on the page inspite of over 100 years of owning land and having a world centre. So I thank you but also understand that I have made mistakes with my work too. I have notices that work on the main page has stopped over the past month and see how the delete debate has cause a show down in work until it is resolved.
619:, since I'm the common element. I said to somebody yesterday that my aim here is to improve the quality of what we put out, I'm not here to make friends. But I added the rider that I'm not here to make enemies either. Seems I've lost it a little here and there, and I think in the eyes of certain people I'm just an irredeemably bad person, to be avoided at all costs. Others see me as a person who is obsessed with making negative comments. I hate that people have such opinions of me, I really do. But there's nothing I can do about it - and there has to be an element of truth in those views - so I just have to accept that's the way it is, learn my lessons, and move on. I have to learn to become less attached to the notion that I will gain respect from others for my contributions. Maybe I will gain respect, but that's not the point. Self-respect is what it's about. If I haven't got that, I've got nothing. Oscar Wilde, my great spiritual mentor, talks about living one's life by being true to one's true nature. 637:
either, they are normal people that live a 'western' (let's say) lifestyle...they are not like...monks or weirdos...not at all, it's just that they use religion fear and guilt to back up some of their demands, but...it's ok, they finally understand me (kind of) and that's the point...we just try not to talk about religion anymore...to tell u the truth, they where only sunday catholics... our 'religion' was just an hour a week,they where never obsessed about religion, but they wanted me to go to church with them ( I guess for social reasons) eventhough I said it didn't go with my ideas about the world,so...they finally 'gave up'. I'm glad. I will erase that post from my discussion page now, because I feel it's kinda stupid, and I did it when I was really mad so... haha. thanks a lot :D. ps. how old are you?--
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introductory material it's permissible not to follow that (I can't remember the reference). I also edit Wiki in Spanish, and I didn't realize that in Spanish NONE of the religion names are capitalized (catholicism, christianity, islam...), and after going through the entire page capitalizing, I was reverted over and over. I also read where Shoghi Effendi said not to break the grammatical rules of a language when it comes to capitalizing.
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I see. That must have been an accident caused by following various links to get around between the sections. There were other times I was posting something on the ref desk and for some reason it bumped me to the archive when I tried to save my edit. I think it has to do with saving while the computer
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As you can see the quality and content on youtube is not the same a wikipedia's main page, but get into the discussion pages and I find wikipedia and youtube have very similar range of content. I hear you would like some more work put into some some Baha'i pages. I would be interested to see you make
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The coo coo cajoob is indeed from 'I am the walrus' and many other famous imitations of crazy persons. As to my use of pip pip tally ho it is a poor imitation of upper-crust British forms of speech that myself and some of my friends used, and it kind of got stuck in my speech patterns. I mostly used
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Hi LambaJan! I happened to notice that you added "Category:Forms of English" in double brackets on your user page under the headline "Other Articles" on 27 December. Just above it you also had "Forms of English" in double brackets, which is perfectly okay: it takes you to the category list. But when
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I'm sorry mentioning this brought back such deep frustrations. I will write the RfC sometime in the next couple days and i'll let you know when it is up. I've dealt with my fair share of ridiculous editors - admins even. You have the right attitude going into this, I hope this can all work out. The
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Again your comments, LambaJan, on the page are brave and the spirit of a recue worker. I am willing to admit that I am not blameless and I want to express my remorse and say that I have learned to keep my comments in my own talk page and not sign them on the main talk page which are readable in the
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Lest you should infer animus or malign sardonicism from the "opposite of calm" thread, I should say that I intended only to make a joke and not to suggest any infirmity in your part in essaying to create a relevant noun form of tempestuous; even as I assumed the query to be apropos of the adjective
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You nominated this article for deletion, citing non-assertion of notability. While notability may be questionable, I consider statements like "underground cult legend" and "founder, main event wrestler and creative force behind Extremely Strange Wrestling" (which doesn't have an article itself, but
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I am in band called "Cosa Nostra"..... We have only 3 members and we are still looking for a drummer..... We just recently recorded our first single....we had to record in my house on a comp..... we only had a single mic so sorry about the sound quality......i would really appreciate it if u could
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archive, which means the contents of it appear on the ref desk section if it's still open. I know it did this because I check the sections I write on to see if anyone responds and I definitely saw that edit on the ref desk, not the archive (or I should maybe say not just the archive, but I didn't
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Hi! I read your message in my discussion page... well, things are going better at home for me now...I'm 'ok' with my parents now, but that will never take away all the religious related thinking they put me through, haha, but it's ok... I'll overcome it, it's not like they are medieval priests
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Regarding the 'deal', it feels like you're holding the article to ransom. I think it's a perfectly valid stub as it stands (ie. it established that the person is worthy of inclusion), and I don't think I need to provide more information to save it from your Speedy. It should be sent to AfD if
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He'. When I first got here I did the same thing, and people kept lower-casing it. Then I read a blurb from Shoghi Effendi that said that capitalizing pronouns of the central figures should always be followed by Baha'is, but he acknowledged that to non-Baha'is it might look funny, and said for
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I did not move it to the archive. I moved it to the posted discussion which was still open at the time. If you wanted to reply to it you had a couple of days before it was archived. If you wish to reply to it now you can move it here or to one of the currently open related discussions at the
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some youtube upload submissions that could be referenced back into wikipedia pages. I just wanted to encourage you with you unity push. I do appreciate your commments very much. I will work away in discussion little by little day by day so give something more to the consultation.
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its very encouraging to see people like you are still taking concern for others in the world. Most people would have ignored that statement concerning suicide or have made a joke about it. welldone you are the only person so far to pass my bizzare test. Congratulations!
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Thanks for the welcome. I'm sure you saw the "honey attracts more bees than vinegar" quote on my page. That's to remind myself what really works best (and even I need reminding sometimes)! I will strive to live up to the ideal and spread as much kindness as I can!
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The article may be a hoax, it may be nonsense, it may be non-notable, but it DID assert notability. So while I may agree with you on "J. R. Benson's deservingness for articleship", or have not researched it enough to know, a Knowledge policy
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of that myself and I was wondering if you would care to contribute? If so you're welcome to edit that page as much as you'd like, as soon as the page starts looking acceptable I'm hoping to make the break between the subjects.
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I was wondering if you had any comments about Anonmoos. I know you've dealt with him, and so have I. I am considering filling and RfC against him and you would have to be involved (as the second disputer). Whats your opinion?
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If you noticed, I kept most of them and simply deleted the personal attacks. They were unnecessary, unhelpful and rude. Even still, I probably would have kept them if you got an account instead of editing from a shared ip.
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I noticed you moved the reply to an archive, which confuses readers as it breaks up the chronology. Can you move back the thread to the desk so other's can see your reply and so the chronology of the archive remains in
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An excellent idea to separate these articles. Right on-point. I anticipate that this will likely generate controversy with OBF if it deals with the succession. May I suggest that you deal with that in the article by
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Google seems to identify its notability on a bare level) to assert notability, while "a high school student in Sydney, Australia" would not assert notability. If you believe this article deserves an
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it, so you might want to weigh in there. I notice that the original editor self-identifies as atheist. I'm atheist also, and the article sounds just like our T.A.S. (Typical Atheist Snark).
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oops, I jumped the gun -- I see you've already done so. Sorry about that. I'll reply to you there but the short answer is that changes were made to the page that addressed my concerns. --
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Your support is very welcome, my friend. So thank you, it means a lot. I've been getting into some quite heated discussions lately, and I've been thinking there's something wrong with
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I was noticing in your talk that you had discussed with someone the creation of a separate Guardianship page from the Shoghi Effendi biographical page. I am currently working on a
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Hey, thanks for the advice. I tried for a long time but could not figure out a solution to the star linking offsite. I'm not sure how to use the click template. Could you explain?
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ARGH!!! You destroyed my user page! Why???! Lol, only joking! Thanks for the KC intro thingymajig on my talk page! And the shortening of the pic of the day to potd! Much obliged!--
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Yeah, sorry. I think I misinterpreted the tone of your message. Ahh, the foibles of internet communication, eh? I've added a little more to the article. I can assure you that he
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key is objectivity - and diffs ; ) . I think anonmoos is a useful editor, but needs some instruction on what wikipedia is and is not, and perhaps some anger management. Thanks.
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Of, course, I meant no harm either. I just wanted to show you how it happened, or how it looked to me. Thank you for your understanding and sorry for any grievances I caused.
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Sorry I haven't done the RfC yet, I've been a little busy. I kind of don't want to have to deal with it right now. Do you feel like postponing this for a later time?
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Most of my characters are female, although most men do get male characters. You probably just have prominent feminine qualities. Nothing to be ashamed of. :)
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you keep the string "Category:" it doesn't show up where you put it, but in the link line at the bottom of the page: you had made yourself part of the category!
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This is not the place for an open reference desk discussion so I'm moving your comment and my reply to the original question space that this header links to. -
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a well-known journalist in certain circles. As the Stylus interview says "he’s made a huge quantifiable impact on underground and experimental music culture".
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check the archive) before the section was removed. That's how I remember it, anyway. I can assure you that if I made a mistake it was an honest mistake. -
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Hello LambaJan. Are you going to visit the Wikimania in summer? I am Baha'i Wikimedian from Belarus and it would be nice to meet you during the event. --
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By nature the archive is a place that discussion goes after a period of time. I feel uncomfortable contemplating commenting directly into the archive.
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wikipedia page has a place. But I would not put this link onto the page. It is best in your discussion page. A contrast to the Chile House of Worship.
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it because it's kind of funny sounding and I wanted to be a little funny to make it more excusable that I was adding in another one so quickly.
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In there, you have a lengthy response in the middle. Thank you, but I was wondering if you could explain what you were talking about. Thanks.
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I was simply going through and standardizing all of the ones I saw. If this standard is obsolete then perhaps they should be changed back. -
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a notable music journalist (a Google test will prove this). I can't remove the tag because I wrote the article. Can you please reconsider?
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on talk and vote pages using four tildes, like this: ~~~~. Three tildes (~~~) produces just your name. If you have any questions, see the
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Hey, thanks bud! It's easy enough, no? Thanks for changing your page, and reverting the image corrections; I greatly appreciate it. -
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Yeah, about the P_**.png images, it's probably not the best idea to use an image as a redirect. If you want to click the image, try
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And please dont hesitate to ask for the lyrics if you want them..... and please pass the song around to your friends if you can....
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Knowledge talk: Manual of Style (dates and numbers) # "Should the year of birth/year of death be linked in biographies?"
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feel free to make a nomination, but it does not fall under the criterion for speedy deletion suggested, IMO.
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Hey, thank you for your constructive starter on the Baha'i discussion page. Blessed are the peace makers.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Language/2008_July_11#I_was_directed_to_ask_here
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reference desk or you can start a new section on the reference desk and post it there as a continuation. -
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For many contributions with limited reward, I present you with this Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Entertainment/2008_August_23#slide_whistle
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is going through the archiving process, or something. I don't really know. Nevertheless, that's a
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Great, just what we need around this place... more people with Lamb in their name. :) Cheers. --
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If you're going to put a NPOV tag on a page -- as you did with the TotallyDisputed template on
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Thanks for fiddling with my user page. It needed a little freshning from a new set of eyes! --
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and decide to stay! Here are a few good links for newcomers (or "oldcomers" for reference):
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Calling double speak "unification English" is a perfect exmple of double speak! Very good!
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Kindness campaign on the other Wikipedias? Sounds like a good idea. I'll give it a shot.
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I removed it, as I don't think that was your intention. "LambaJan speak", a new form of
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Anyway, the point is, now I don't care, and I thought that might be interesting to you.
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Oh, here, do you mean "... volume ..." by like the loudness or softness of the sound (
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Muchas gracias for the KC user box-it looks awesome! - 13:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
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Hey LambaJan, I just noticed the star you gave me. It's very much appreciated. --
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download the song and tell us your opinion on it....heres the link to the song....
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I added this to Zazaban discussion page, he could take it two ways, delete or rvt.
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A was a member since July, but I resigned and came back. Thanks for dropping by!
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Even if it did exist, however, that's not really a reason to change the userbox.
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Thanks Lambajan for the link to Knowledge policy. It makes a lot of sense. --
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Thanks for the opportunity to be a sound box for my blatherings. God bless.
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I was thinking that it was not my arguments that you do not support but that
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Unfortunate correspondence: A cautionary tale about the importance of WP:AGF
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On linguistics that's excellent, I'm going to major in linguistics myself.
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Hello, thank you for your recent contributions to an article relating to
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to put it, unless I add a subheading called "Typical atheist snark."
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I appreciate that you organised my 'user-boxes,' my dear LambaJan.--
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in the past. Well, it's finally cleared and I could use some more.
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addressing succession in detail (perhaps merely pointing to the
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Thank You for putting my profile bit from right to left. --
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Thanks for your comment on this article. I'm going to
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I agree with you that blocking her was uncalled for.
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Once again, thanks for the changes you made to my (
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Bahá'í divisions
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