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secret groups of people who plot against others, that Knowledge is a far uglier place that I even thought. This RFC aginst me could have been presented truthfully with a few diffs of my recent behavior to illustrate the problem. Instead it was a massive, misleading number of diffs that, even though the majority was misleading and untrue, gives the appearance of great evil on my part. It is hard to understand why this RFC had to go back to the 20th day of my editing here at Knowledge in order to establish its case. Why are the untruths, disproved statements, misleading diffs allowed to remain on the RFC? The two other RFCs against me were found baseless. An arbitration case filed against me was found baseless. Yet now I am trashed by a massive amount of misleading, untruthful diffs when I could have be approached constructively. Your approach to me, although you see it as the last straw, made no sense to me. The diff you provided of my awful behavior was a result of a misunderstanding, a mere question I asked because I did not know. I do not understand how, when I regularly see horrible behavior on the part of other editors go unpunished, even unremarked upon, yet a mild question as in the diff you provided to prove my horrible behavior, provokes a humiliating RFC against me. I am going to ask to be banned from Knowledge. I want to be banned, versus just no longer contributing, because I want it to be clear that I have been driven away. —

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l’architetto Andrä Tanner di Bressanone e fu dato il via ai lavori. Poco dopo una piena del Passirio distrusse la passerella appena completata, così Andrä Tanner dovette costruire un nuovo ponte. I lavori furono portati a termine nel 1617. Il nome “Steinerner Steg” è tramandato da quell’epoca e compare in questa forma in tutte le pubblicazioni ufficiali. In seguito all’italianizzazione degli anni ’20, per la precisione il 2 dicembre del 1927, fece la sua comparsa nello stradario del Comune di Merano la traduzione italiana “Ponte Romano”, che evidentemente si basa su una stima errata dell’età del ponte. Il suo gentile suggerimento di rivedere questa traduzione “errata” andrebbe quindi riformulato: è semmai il nome italiano del ponte che andrebbe cambiato, cosa che tuttavia per il momento non si prevede di fare. Per informazioni più dettagliate sulla costruzione del ponte può fare riferimento all’opera “Geschichte von Meran, der alten Hauptstadt des Landes Tirol” di Padre Cölestin Stampfer (Innsbruck 1889, pag. 118). Per concludere ricordo che è tra l’altro compito dell’Amministrazione comunale mantenere le denominazioni originali dei luoghi sulla base di documenti storici. Il Sindaco, Dr. Günther Januth

4957:? Regardless of where the flagged protection proposal ends up, it might be useful to start a new discussion of a BLP trial along those lines. Personally I can imagine being okay with flagged revisions on all BLPs if things were going very smoothly, but I think that's something we'd have to build to over time (the need for careful "surveying" is a huge part of the reason for that - we absolutely cannot rush to survey 300,000 BLP articles, or even 10,000, as quickly as possible and should therefore do it in batches). Obviously flagged revs on BLPs would far from eradicate our BLP issues - frankly I don't think anything short of shutting down the entire project could ever do that - but it would likely be a very large and very positive step. I highly doubt I would ever support flagged revs for all or even most articles and think it unlikely that we'll ever end up in that situation - in my view it should be used primarily to help control the BLP problem. 3033:" (County of Tyrol). In 1919 it was divided in a Southern part and a Northern part, with the Southern part annexed by Italy. 556 years part of Austria, so "never"??? In the twenties the fascist started a Italianization campaign to assimilate the German populace (which was, is and has been the majority of the people of Tyrol for over 1500 years) back to the topic: as part of their Italianization campaign and in their attempts to destroy the German history of the province the fascists changed all the names in province and whenever possible they tried to use names that alluded to the time when Tyrol was part of the Roman Empire (see 4975:) about how to bring BLP articles into the picture. I think it's extremely likely that a comfortable majority of the community is behind trials for some kind of flagged revisions on BLPs (so long as we can pull back if there are major problems), and at this point it's just a matter of figuring out the specifics. In the long run I think it's better if more editors feel that they had a say in the process than if Jimbo or a developer just says "it goes like this" and then we're off and running. Sorry if any of this is confusing or overly rambling, I'm tired and the prose-writing part of my brain isn't working so well. -- 2646:. Therefore, I took each of you individual edits from the article history. I tried to make sense of your additions and accusations, then I tried to respond to the content of each of you edit contributions to the RFC. It did seem that you were really not familiar with the situation, which probably accounts for your contributions not making very much sense. However, in the notes, I outlined the inaccuracies in your contributions, with diffs to prove what I was saying. You can choose to maintain that your inaccurate statements are correct, or you can retract the inaccuracies. It's up to you. — 5259:

apologized to him recently on his talk page for some of the offence he's still holding on to over unrelated matters—but from my perspective he's just continuing the negative behaviour that originally got him placed on ArbCom editing restrictions, his targets have just shifted. (I know he's at least been walking a fine line with a number of editors at CfD for some months now.) I'd appreciate it if you could perhaps say some words to him from your entirely neutral and non-CfD participant perspective. And any appropriate words for me, of course, are welcome as well.

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seasoned and who have demonstrated good judgment with respect to BLP work, erring on the side of caution consistently. I'd require them to have OTRS access or be in close communication with someone that did. (Over time, if the trial is successful, the number of articles may be increased, with the eventual goal being that all articles are eligible to be so marked, and most will be, but only after processes ramp up.. and only after agreement... concomitantly, the number of surveyors would increase as well.)

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content contributors quite put off by her approach and by the things she does, across a broad spectrum of article areas. I regret having to say it, but I've had enough experience with her in different areas to say that. As a note, playing polo and performing tricks are not typically things that are commonly done while on the field of battle, so the material, aside from being unsourced, was irrelevant. The article, in the final analysis, did not need polo pony images, really. ++

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in the "what.") There's a number of ways we can "do" them, so what is your vision for the form of flagged revisions that we should implement and/or test? We might not even have much of a difference of opinion over that which is part of why the discussion on the talk page has gotten a bit silly in my view—I think there might be more room for agreement than folks think. Anyway it would be great if you could offer some thoughts on this question. --

2745: 4662:"This is the position of losing generalissimos throughout history". True. But not necessarily relevant, although it's nice rhetoric. The real point here is that there sometimes comes a time when there has been enough discussion about a question, and it's time to move forward. Postponing action indefinitely because there is still discussion going on is a recipe for not getting anything significant done, indefinitely. ++ 1700:

try to be helpful. I believe if he were ethical, he would not have entered this situation. As a person having heard negatively information from those biased against me and determined to get me, I can understand that he was an excellent choice for you to ask to look over the RFC. As apparently he is one of the powerful hierarchy here, I am sure he gave you good advice as the best way to get me. Cheers, —

3977: 5495: 1778:. I note similiarities where I pointed out that Risker had in fact answered your questions at FAC. You need to check facts before making claims. This is also why we check diffs; there is nothing 'obsessive' about it but is standard. You know this as you have seen plenty of threads at AN, AN/I, RfC etc. so you also need to drop the claim it is obsessive tralwing. Cheers, 1730:. I see that both Lar and Risker helped you copy the RFC for greater effectiveness of wording. Is that what you mean? At least when I go to Arbitration, which certainly will happen, now that I see how this whole thing went down, both you and Risker will be asked to recuse. I voted against Risker in the Arbcom elections. I was too scared to vote against you. Cheers, — 3261:

good to be published... but I think I found it. For reference the ticket number is 2009020410025866 . They refer to an attached letter but it looks like the attachment didn't come through... Also, is it possible to have the mail come from their domain ( mpl-ubud.com ) instead of from an ISP? I'm working on this and will reply, if I can get access to the ticket. ++

1469:. You dismissed the concern and cast aspersions on my motives for raising them. That's just not a productive approach, Mattisse. You need to take on board that you have areas of potential improvement. If you cannot take input from others you may not be successful here. That's something I usually find myself telling a newbie, not someone with your long experience. 2896:

case, your post was regarding an issue with a long history but which, heretofore, you have had no connection and seemed to have little knowledge. Your link to what it appears you assumed was a bad faith posting of mine did not make much sense. Therefore, it was not a kind way to introduce yourself to me. Even better, I would recommend that you

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reason there were/are so many diffs is that this is a long-term pattern of your editing, and thus (a) unlikely to change unless pointed out to you and (b) an example of edits, some of which taken in isolation may not be seen to be disruptive as such, but taken as a long steady current over weeks and months paints a different picture. Cheers,

2892:. I assume you do not take false allegations toward another Wikipedian lightly and will do your best to be responsible. If you assume good faith you will look at the allegations you made, and retract the ones that cannot be proven by facts. Because someone "thinks" that was my reason for doing something does not make it true. 4940:

is surveyed - so long as the surveying was done extremely carefully and thoroughly such that it was clear no BLP violations were present as of that edit. We would then have a version of those articles to which we could always safely revert back should BLP problems crop up again in future versions of an article).

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people sometimes. We are a community based on trust, and if we do not have that what do we actually have? I hope Mattisse will recognize that and try to be more welcoming. I also hope that we all try to be more welcoming, because even the most welcoming person can still probably try a little harder. :)

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I'm not sure exactly what you're asking me. Which editor are you saying is improperly using the talk page? Which points are being cast aside? Which editor asserts mentioning his ban is improper (diff please)? And finally, is my talk the best place to raise this matter? This is an article on a topic I

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You noted on the talk page "it's time to do flagged revisions." I guess my question to you is, and if it's okay I might follow-up, what exactly do you mean when you say "do flagged revisions?" (I'm leaving aside here questions of the "how"—via "consensus," imposed by fiat, etc.—and am just interested

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It seems to me that OTRS is capable of handling issues of the firt sort, and does so with reasonable efficiency. Problems of the second sort have more to do with perceptions of inaccuracy than actual innacuracy. (I know I'm repeating myself, I did warn of brain fog ahead.) Better PR/media contacts?

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This is not a recall issue. Complaints about a user's behavior need always to have diffs attached. I see nothing in Lar's recent contributions there that come even close to being a civility concern. I only see honest, if slightly robust, exchanges of views. If you see otherwise, please show diffs and

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If you're looking for the WMF to take on risk on your behalf, I suspect you will be disappointed, I don't believe they will do so. They haven't so far. I've blogged about this topic. As for sending anons away, (that is, making it less desirable to edit as an anon) I admit to having a radical view on

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First, I'm not seeing the offense there in what I said. Asking someone to get out of the way isn't necessarily offensive, is it? Even asking bluntly. You seem to be bent on taking umbrage when no direct insult was intended. I'm sorry that you took offense, it was not intended, but I stand behind what

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As I mentioned, I've also written up my thoughts into a short 'essay' - which (necessarily in my view) contains some explicit images, and attempts to explain a bit more my thoughts on the subject (it's light-hearted, but the points are serious, I hope) - if you, or a watcher / lurker has any interest

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Therefore the information in Connors book "A medieval bridge here retains the name, the Ponte Romano sul Passirio" is wrong. This info is based on a Italian book from 1963 (Gazzola, 1963b, no. 281). Both Gazzola and Connor assume that the name "Ponte Romano" is a name that has been in use since roman

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As to the RfC, the RfC edit history clearly shows that I have a substantial number of edits on that page. I stand behind them, they are examples of areas where you could have comported yourself better. We are none of us perfect in this world, and I certainly have areas of improvement, but I'm open to

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I recognize that this user page belongs to the Knowledge project and not to me personally. As such, I recognize that I am expected to respectfully abide by community standards as to the presentation and content of this page, and that if I do not like these guidelines, I am welcome either to engage in

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and other policies, past transgressions, if they are not currently being repeated, and not likely to be, are not, in my view, something that we should be routinely raising, we should be evaluating the substance of the discussion on merits. That goes both for the sockpuppeting charges and for the ban

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Okay, makes sense, thanks for talking with me about this, it gives me a good idea of where you are coming from. I think a trial of some subset of BLPs is going to be a likely and even necessary way forward. I imagine there's a lot of people who could agree to something like that, even if folks might

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I'll favor any trial that moves us in the right direction and oppose any that moves us away from the goal rather than toward it. Thus I oppose FP as it is badly flawed, and I'd favor the one you suggest, the "Z" subset of BLP articles. That makes the Surveyor job rather mechanical, I'd rather see it

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Specifications, please. Under most of the proposals for a test, an established editor will autoconfirm his own edit. (Looking back, there were two cases in which a long-established editor inserted Kennedy's death; one of them was after semi-protection; so this is not a new problem. I support flagged

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How is Thatcher's view on opposers, which I endorsed, a point of personal priv between you and I? I'm not following that analysis. As for Guantanamo, and the PATRIOT Act, I'm a libertarian and deeply aware of what a miscarriage those matters are, but the analogy does not hold, since Knowledge is not

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No kidding. I think it has calmed down, I've even been able to get Noclador to slowly discuss points of view. One thing I most appreciate about being an American is being able to have an open view on things. I feel sad how often overseas they can get caught in such narrow cultural viewpoints. Ah

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Mattisse: It is "Lar", short for Larry, which is my first name. It never gets pluralised, and so is never "Lars". Most of the rest of the above posting I can't make head or tail of... I'm not sure responding in detail on my talk is the best way to proceed in any case. I stand behind the theme of the

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Curious how spelling and grammar fixes would lead to a need to recuse; however, that is irrelevant at this time. I would hope that you would not behave in such a way that other editors felt they needed to make a Request for Arbitration. You've been given lots of food for thought in the RFC (in which

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I have never had contact with Lar to my knowledge. He has said above that his knowledge of me is the result of many secret conversation with other editors about me, apparently discussing my horribleness. Never was I invited to give my side and never did Lar contact me and ask for mine, or in any way

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Do you think it reasonable that you should turn up on my talk page, when I had no idea who you were, give one very mild example in a diff of my awful behavior, and then be surprised that did not take your comment on my page very seriously? I get many off-the-wall comments on my page that are usually

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Although I receive many wonderful comments about the value of my contributions during this RFC (which I did so appreciate as I had not known that), this behind the scenes talk of me you say goes on leaves my without any trust and very reluctant to have any more to do with this ugliness of Knowledge.

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I have been aware of you, Mattisse, for some time, and concerned about what I saw. I've seen you at various discussion boards, such as FA, GA, DYK, etc, and elsewhere. Bur further, people speak to me about things a great deal, I have a lot of contact with other Wikipedians. You are one of the topics

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May I ask why you recently posted on my talk page recently? You never have before. What is you sudden interest in me? And do you include yourself in you comment: "It's just editors who care about Mattisse" that you posted in my RFC? If so, why? I have a hard time believing that you have any interest

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Happy new year to you too! I see other CU's have been running checks since I did, but IIRC, M105-S322 is the main account, and the other two are pretty clearly socks of that one, which was why I blocked the one (the other already was). Please advise if you need more, but this looks fairly routine. I

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with no result. I found the page fro BLP/N and determined that the two were using the sockpuppet iteration to prevent Rtally3 from having any edits stand. Rtally3 had been blocked for a month in October, which is now "past" I would think. Jayen and I entered in order to make the article remotely

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Thanks, a lot or even most of that I would agree with, certainly the part about carefully controlling who takes on the "surveyor" role (what I would like to see with that, particularly for BLPs, is some kind of standardized and clearly recognizable comment or notation at the point where any article

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The "reviewer" role is created as well. Requirements for the role again are that good judgement is shown, with some sensitivity to issues. Anyone can ask for a reviewer's authority to be taken away by presenting a diff of an item that was inappropriately passed. Good faith errors may be waived, but

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on Inauguration Day, unless it were in force on almost all BLPs), it will be in effect on a number of articles comparable with the German wikipedia, and sighting edits will take longer than it does there. That is a recipe for indefinite backlogs, which will be a disaster. I do not chose to strangle

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You may not have had the chance to work with Una much, so I can't blame you for having that view... However, that's the only tone I've found to be at all effective with her, anything less direct has zero effect. A review of her contributions may be instructive. There are a large number of very good

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and the existing policy on permissions, and on nudity, are the place to work to make improvements. Make proposals there for tightening, improving, tweaking... and they will be well received. (look at the things I've deleted or proposed for deletion and you'll see I'm not at all unsympathetic to the

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Note to Lar: Yes, I was being sarcastic concerning statements made by the individual above, after he had warned how apathetic he was. ;) It was not in reference to you my friend. That said, I'm aware of the issues/insecurities that drive people like him to say such things -- and it just gets too

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Hi Larry. I've read you message at the LDraw/wiki. Orion is currently updating the DNS and email stuff. I also asked him to upgrade to wiki version 1.9 to get sortable tables. If we could fix the spammer in one rush it would be perfect. Any help is appreciated. I wasn't aware of the problem since I

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That was infelicitous wording on my part, by "get this done one way or another" I meant it's not so important to you whether there is community discussion or if flagged revs are just implemented by the Foundation somewhat by fiat (i.e. the "how" is not important to you, of course I understand that

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I guess one of the problems I'm having with some of the folks opposing a flagged protection test is that I'm not sure what they are proposing in its stead. The argument many are making over there seems to me to boil down to "WHEREAS the current BLP situation is a travesty, therefore BE IT RESOLVED

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Thanks for changing that. I was offline for a day or so. It appears that the individual in question sent an email to my old university address which hasn't worked for over a semester. I'm puzzled since I seem to recall getting email from that individual at my current gmail address at one point. In

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Keep that to yourself while you're here on Knowledge, please, as that's not at all a nice thing to say. Saying things like that is likely to turn people against you, and to invite further scrutiny, human nature being what it is, Just a word to the wise. I don't want to be dragged into this dispute

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Could you point out where you commented at Che? I was totally unaware that you, or anyone with a name similar to yours, was editing the Che article or involved in comments on the Che talk page. You seem to assume I am familiar with your comments there. However, I have looked and cannot find them.

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I don't want to "get this done one way or another", I want it done close enough to properly that it has a chance of working. The FP proposal will not work, and further, is so bad that it will poison the well for better ones. Automatically granting reviewer status is a non starter. Autoflagging an

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The users mentioned there, likely all the same user, are SPAs promoting an Indonesian Senator and his Museum/Commercial Gallery. There are a bunch of images with tangled licensing claims. If they straighten-up and cut out the blatant promotion, I'll help them out, too. If not, these articles need

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No, I'm apathetic, because I don't want to get dragged into this dispute, I see all sides being not very nice. But Icsunonove, you need to dial down the sarcasm. Please. You are not the only person that could stand to improve their approach down in this, mind you, but you need to, maybe more than

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The issue is (for the benefit of my Talk Page Watchers) that I need to search for the ticket, so typically some idea of the email it came from, or the subject line, might be helpful. Use the "email this user" function to forward that info on if you want, rather than posting it, if it might not be

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Just a suggestion, I recommend that when you post with an ambiguous and or nonsensical accusation on another editor's page who does not know you or what your purpose or connection to that editor is, that it would facilitate the situation if you explained who you are and why you are posting. In my

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was angry engaged in a revert war over the article history and was blocked for 8 hours. SandyGeorge tried to get the block over turned. Instead of just relisting the article, a GAR was initiated. SandyGeorgia jumped in and declared the article as having passed. This is what she is blaming me for.

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I can chime in here - Mattisse if you look at the RfC page history you will note it languished for several days in my userspace. During this time I asked others to look at it. I don't know whether I was the first to ask Lar but I certainly did. I wanted someone neutral to have a look over it. The

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I would just advise both of you to try to dial down the invective if you possibly can. Having running battles in various unrelated places tends not to work out. So maybe you need to step back a bit and see if some time away would help? Or look into mediation? That you both continued arguing your

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The "surveyor" role is created, and (intially, after careful discussion of WHICH articles) articles are marked as being subject to flagging and reviewing, by surveyors. The surveyor role is initially only given to a relatively small set of people (not necessarily exclusively admins) who are very

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See below. My ideal FR differs from proposals I will support, which in turn differ from proposals (such as FP) which I will not. But ideally, no one flags their own revisions. No one. And CERTAINLY no revision ever gets flagged automatically. Every flagged revision got at least two pairs of eyes

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You are right, and one step ahead of you my good friend. You can go see what I've already said on Noclador's talk page, and also at the end of his noticeboard report. Yes, I will always be happy that I tried to make those regional articles balanced, and I appreciate all those that thanked me.

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Casliber, I can no longer find my way on that page. I tried several times to add there what I added here today to Lars page, but I could not find a way. I feel it is wrong to allow unsubstantiated, misleading, hurtful charges against me to remain. If there is another way to answer, please let me

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where it appears you are ... I do not know what exactly. Mocking? Hounding? Being snippy to? ... Sandy... they just are not helpful. And that's an example from AFTER when this RfC started. Please, Mattisse. Take the feedback you're getting on board. Try harder to be more mellow and less quick to

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I have added a link to the quote from Lar in the section above. As for Lar's post of 17:38, which concerns me as enocuraging action without thought, it is immediately above my own. I do not complain of its civility; I merely have no confidence in anyone who holds it, and do not want him as an

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To Lar++: How were my recent edits "brought" to your attention? Where does all this talking go on about me? Why am I not informed when people are talking about me? How can this go on in a place that is supposed to rely on trust? You are telling me here the very opposite is true, that there are

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I wanted to thank you for making it clear that my comments are not a defense of any kind of sort and as the opposite of excusing actions. I hope that we can all learn to work together and accept each other, even though it is harder to accept some people more than others, and it is hard to trust

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I agree with you about reviewer status and autoflagging, so I guess one definite difference is that I don't want to see FR on all articles. But leaving all that aside since it's hardly something we need to figure out right now, would you be okay with an early trial that runs on a subset of BLP

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As a libertarian, I'm particularly fond of the idea of just standing there instead of doing "something", since "something" is so often wrong, when it comes to governments. We can trade aphorisms all day... the key problem is to know which ones apply in which real life situations (if any). This

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I continue to believe that both en and commons could do with shoring up their approaches to sexual content, and to that end I've begun work on an essay. I was discussing the possibility of writing something up over at commons, but in IRC the strong consensus was that Commons doesn't allow user

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Where are these places where people speak of me? Why am I not notified? Why do these discussion go on without giving me an opportunity to defend or explain myself? Am I not allowed to participate in these? Why have I not been informed of them until now? Does it no seem that repeatedly having

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Nel punto in cui oggi si trova il ponte in questione vi era in origine un acquedotto in legno che attraversava il torrente Passirio. Quando questa struttura divenne pericolante, fu deciso nel 1615 di demolirla e di costruire al suo posto una passerella. Nel 1616 fu stipulato un contratto con

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Is there a way the misleading and inaccurate accusations can be removed or stricken from the RFC. The huge number of largely petty, misleading, and incorrect diffs give the appearance of great wrong doing on my part. I believe few people read through them, and those that did were unlikely to

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for unrelated WP issues is inappropriate. I think maybe he needs to hear from someone else's perspective on this, because it's clear he has strong feelings that I am "out to get him". I bear the user no ill will—he's attacked me fairly relentlessly at CfD for about a week now, and I've even

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and other places on the same talk page make it clear that whatever points the accused makes simply get cast aside, while another editor who is currently banned from actually editing the article asserts that mentioning his ban is grossly improper (and asserting I made a "personal attack" for

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I do not agree with your analysis of the likely level of backlogging. Work priorities will change to accomodate changing conditions. But even if you are correct, I consider it acceptable that we are backlogged. Accuracy, doing no harm, doing the right thing, all are FAR more important than

4111:, it's a warning written in exactly the tone that people reserve for naive new editors. I looked into the actual content that was flagged, and it was something clearly unproblematical, essentially just the claim the people sometimes ride with one hand when playing polo or performing tricks 1856:

I'm not sure I follow you there. My vote is for "island" but with a specific set of disambiguations directly mentioned. That caveat or codicil is part of my vote. But the vote may be premature... the arbcom ruling says the community is to devise a process. Not immediately go to a poll.

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Further, it's not clear to me that your analysis of the Kennedy situation is correct either, I'm not sure I agree that either of those revisions would necessarily have been flagged, at least not in the form of the proposal I favor. I certainly wouldn't have flagged them, regardless of

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I declined to participate, as you recall). I hope that you can internalize some of the feedback in a way that addresses the issues raised, so that there is no need to proceed to arbitration or other dispute resolution. I do encourage you to listen to the messages from the community.

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It is incredibly hard to be softer than the other fellow, but look where letting them provoke you has gotten you. My advice is take a break, let it rest, and if you feel like it later, come back. if not, that is OK too, rejoice in the fact that you contributed and leave it at that.

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was built in 1616 b) "Ponte Romano" is a invention of the 1920ties c) and I asked a former city councilor of Meran to help me find some info on when exactly the Italian name was created and he told me about this answer of the mayor of Meran Dr. Günther Januth about a request by a

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the WMF. I'm quite familiar with the Prodigy case which set precedent in this area, and unless the flagger has been designated by the WMF as an agent, responsibility remains with the flagger. I have some prior experience in this area. (part of 03:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC) post)

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Sir, could you please intervene on this page? You will see by the revision history, discussion page, and the references, that Noclador is adding a political ramble into this article. This is not the place for such a discussion in the first place, and just because he is from

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The block default allows users to send email. It appears that the user in question has his email enabled. I presume therefore he just used the old email address and it didn't occur to him to log in to Knowledge to use that method of sending email after the first one bounced.

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A very happy new year to you! - I've been bobbing around for a few weeks, blissfully unaware of pretty much all the goings on in the 'real world', though I trust you and yours had a wonderful christmas and new year. I thought this page wasn't a bad place to make sure that

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Your post, however, not only smears me, it smears those who doubt (and there is reasonable doubt) that FR would indeed have prevented our (briefly) reporting Kennedy's death. It is almost as likely that that mistake, or piece of malice, was done by the sort of editor who

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Lar does not mention all the evidence he is collecting about my strike out of an article name from another's comment, my instant apology, or his disapproval of my trying to take credit for work I did on an article which would have been more relevant and comprehensible to

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know. Should I start another RFC to answer the charges? I really do not know what to do and am very confused. Further, my questions were never answered, the ones SandyGeorgia moved around. I cannot possibly edit articles again until this is cleared up. Cheers, —

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I would like to know if it is possoble to allow ONLY admins and myself to edit my Userpage. Also, I want to know how to edit my signature. I would also like to know how to get that border like your talk page, and how to get that welcome to the talk page message.

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in me personally as an editor. This is the first contact we have every had, as far as I know, we don't work on the same articles or projects? So what is you sudden involvement in me starting immediately before my RFC? Did you have a hand in creating the RFC? —

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Take a number. He has a hot button, which he pushes at every opportunity. I think he prides himself in being baffling (and being marginalised, even over on WR)... now, he would point out that is a "theory of mind" which I have no basis for, but there you are.

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What I would like to see is for Mattisse to either provide evidence for or drop allegations of an FAC cabal, and for her to desist from comments about my conduct which I feel are untrue, such as fear of my supposed bullying tactics. However I thought her

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NPOV at least. The question is how long ought the sockpuppet side issue be used on a talk page, and does it violate talk page guidelines at this point? Again, all I ask is whether talk page guidelines allow indefinite raising of past editor conflicts?

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Hi Lar, no content dispute at all: IP has an agenda, is insulting and trying to push his POV. John has done the right thing when he warned the IP for one of his rude comments, but I guess that will not stop him. Anyway, thanks for your offer to help.

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gets noticed at least a little ( /me waves at the talk page stalkers, watchers, hangers-on, entourage etc. etc.) - I'm (as usual) happy to chat about anything you, or others, fancy - and wish everyone a happy, healthy and generally awesome 2009 :-)

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Mattisse needs to assume good faith. Always. She needs to work collegially with other editors. Always. Some example improvements, not intended to be exhaustive... * Mattisse needs to either provide evidence for or drop allegations of an FAC cabal

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Right, and you have also tried to encourage me not to lose my cool with these type of people. But, the accusations they make are so extreme, it does beg someone for such comments. Saying such things as "your petty naming guerrilla war"? @_@

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I can see now why people do not want to register. It explains why I might have been somewhat right about cabels. I will not be contributing anything of substance in the future. I do not want to be part of an enterprise that operates this way. —

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Thanks. It's episodic over long stretches; they add images and puff once in awhile. The pages have had clean-up tags on them for a while and I and others have trimmed bits. They'll have noticed the push-back, and now the notes I left. Cheers,

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Thanks for your attention to this. It seems obvious from the comments that are posted there now that the user has taken offence over the request. I can certainly understand why it could be upsetting, but I feel like his use of that page to

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on editing, in my view, unless direct relevance is shown. Is there current sockpuppeting? Is there current editing in a banned area? Prospects of either one? Not relevant, unless an egregious pattern can be established. That's my view. ++

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for details) thus the name of "Ponte Romano" for a medieval bridge suddenly came into being and the fascists included it in all their Roman monuments in South Tyrol lists to prove that South Tyrol was always Roman/Italian. Well, I'm from

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Note, to be precise, that the version of FR I'm advocating would have had a higher probability of not letting those two errors through on the Kennedy article than the version you're positing in your hypothetical, but nothing is certain.

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Interesting essay and it does highlight some "holes". However I reject the notion in the lead of it ... that Commonists don't care about the issue. Where you went off the rails was in coming in out of the blue, and proposing new policy.

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Those conditions are also clearly stated in policy, and none of them is a feeling of emergency; we can leave that to the various authoritarian governments of the world. If you wish to alter policy, the road to that is also discussion.

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Are you prepared to retract or redact your statements about "gratuitious offense", "smears" and the like? Those are hardly conductive to calm discussion. If not, I think we're done, as I've addressed the substantive points you raised.

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and not make your first contact with that editor a hostile one, as you did with me. I belief wikipedia would be a better place if you follow my suggestions. But, of course, they are just recommendations to be kind to others. Cheers,

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of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank

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I stand behind the theme of the RfC. You do good work, and lots of it, but there are issues in your approach that you have to come to grips with. You're not doing that yet, I don't think. Malleus gives you some good advice: "chill

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Csloat appears to have been a regular customer at RfCs, Mediation and Arbcom regarding his interesting concepts of civil discussion and his interesting interpretations of 3RR. (I finally looked him up on WP and WP Talk pages)

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article because it wasn't reviewed in x days is a non starter. My eventual goal is that every article, every other thing in article space (portals, templates, lists, etc, anything that isn't subject to NOINDEX) be flagged. ++

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I know you just want to get this done one way or another, but I don't think you should give up on community discussion just yet. If you look over at the flagged protection talk page there's already a lot of talk (and even an

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of specifics to hammer out. I view a test-run of some form of "flagged protection" as a good way to start figuring out those specifics, but if there are better ways, great (before the flagged protection poll even began, over

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Btw, there are legal arguments both ways; Flagged Revision means that the flagger is taking responsibility for edits on behalf of the Foundation, which endangers our common carrier defense. (For the claim that FR would have

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Who attacked who Noclador? Who indeed attacked who? I also try to put this ridiculous fight to rest and your actions again disappoint. Whatever, it must be nice to feel so "right". Good luck to you... *shake head*

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raise ire. If you can't get it from the RfC itself, take it from, for example, Risker... you just had an exchange with her where she pointed out that you can't continue this way. Please return to assuming good faith. ++

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You need to chill out Matisse. I'm sure that many of us who've been through an RfC feel that the charges brought against us were unreasonable, but that's life. You have to move on, the old battles are already lost.

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Two editors had a problem with a third editor (one of the two has been banned from editing the article). That third editor was found to have used a sockpuppet, albeit with some rationale. The two pursued this at

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Ok, thanks for the brain check :). I really was wondering if I was starting to be paranoid :D. I'll keep an eye on him for a day or two, if he continues this way, I predict a very short wiki-career for him... --

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How close have we come to actually being sued? How accurate are the Knowledge Reviewers who say we'll be crucified (and then burnt, then fed to the dogs, then made to apologise to their mothers) when we do get

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essays, and that it's not 'within scope' to present such arguments. I wanted to hear your thoughts about whether or not there's any non-disruptive channel to communicate new ideas, or concerns over at commons?

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The claim that consensus is all very well, but this is an emergency, is the same panic that brought the real world the PATRIOT Act and Guantanamo. It will not solve any real problem, any more than they have.

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There's a difference between not caring what you think or feel about something and taking pleasure from simple things, Ics. I wouldn't care if you were hit by a bus, but I'd probably smile about it all day.

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RfC. You do good work, and lots of it, but there are issues in your approach that you have to come to grips with. You're not doing that yet, I don't think. Malleus gives you some good advice: "chill out". ++

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No worries. Maybe you have your wikipedia mail set there???? that's always a good thing to double check, especially with SUL, if it's wrong, it's wrong EVERYWHERE which makes resetting a forgotten pw hard.

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Thanks for the notice. I don't have any strong opinions about the article material, (which seems to be the focus of the proposed mediation) so I'm not sure it's needful that I be added. What do you think?

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understand them, as they were taken out of context. Is my only recourse to file an RFC against the editors who sought to harm me? Are there other steps I can take to rectify the effect of this ugly RFC?

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and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching!

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Hey Lar, I just asked you a question on the Commons, but wanted to let you know that the question was in fact from me. I need to usurp balloonman (an account with no edits) on commons to create my SUL

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not indefinitely, after a certain number of mistakes, reviewer is taken away, not to be restored without a mentorship demonstrating low likelyhood of repetition. Edits cannot be self reviewed. Ever.

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before being flagged. One of those pairs of eyes, at least, belongs to someone who was explicitly examined as being suitable to be a reviewer. CERTAINLY no automatically making anyone a reviewer. ++

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I warned the IP for a rather rude edit summary, and made a suggestion at the article talk. Do you know a good centralized venue to take this naming dispute to? I don't have the expertise. Best, --

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constructive criticism. Are you? Further, I don't hold to the view that there is a vast conspiracy against me just because people point out places where I erred. I hope that helps clarify matters.

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You are mistaken when you think that consensus trumps everything else. We have had an "emergency" here at Knowledge for quite some time now. There are none so blind as those who will not see. ++

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boring. I'm trying to get Noclador to calm down, this guy above is static, no worries -- and you most certainly do not need to get involved. You told me how the interstate thing went.. :)

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the "what" is very important). I was just trying to suggest that it's better if at all possible to work out the specifics via discussion which is, I think, something we can collectively do.

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I favor a scheme for trial with separate "surveyor" and "reviewer" roles. It is similar to what was initially discussed, if not exactly the same (I think it's exact but you may not agree)

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Anyway, doubt I want to come back, this was really flat out depressing and a massive personal attack towards me. Anyhow, I always appreciated your advice. My best regards, as always.

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I stand behind that statement and everything else I've said. It is your characterization that is in error. I had hoped you would have realised that by now, but if not, we are done. ++

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Cool. Must just have been a bad addy. Or because he's blocked, it doesn't work? Never been blocked so I'm sort of hazy on that part. (no, TPWs... that's not a request to block me!) ++

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Except when consensus doesn't apply. I believe the BLP problem, and the accuracy problem in general, is serious enough that this may be one of those cases. You may not agree. ++

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For other readers, be warned... first, this is an external site, and your IP address may be captured. Second, the words may not make a lot of sense to you. They didn't to me. ++

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and thinks he knows the history, doesn't mean he can put up stories with no citation. The citation of the website and the book state nothing about what he says. thank you.

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this bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion; it does not perform any nominations or deletions itself. To see the user who deleted the page, click

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In terms of a trial I assume you would be okay with at first testing this on a relatively small set of BLP articles, maybe something akin but not necessarily identical to

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Saw that. Pondering. Probably don't need a blow by blow summary of our email traffic here :). Trust me, I read email a lot. But if it's urgent, sure, please feel free. ++

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It does for me at least; thx. Alansohn has explained himself a little clearer and calmer to me on my talk page, and I've responded in kind, so I think it will be OK.

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than in reality. What is it that we (collectivly, as editors) see as the possible problems with innaccurate BLP articles? (Just dumping a brain cloud here, btw)

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I think I have a right to wonder about such things, especially as so much goes on behind my back as you have confirmed in your post to me above on your talk page.

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Dear Lar, Wishing you a happy a new year, and very best wishes for 2009. Whether we were friends or not in the past year, I hope 2009 will be better for us both.

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and if you don't mind I'd like to engage you in a little side conversation here because I think there's a bit more heat than light at that talk page right now.

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These are the accusations you contributed. At least two of them are false, or misleading. Are you willing to assume good faith and withdraw these accusation?

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contain a lot of bad faith and invective, as has been commented on by others. Would you please tone it down a little? It's counterproductive for everyone to

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Hi Lar, The museum has sent a new letter to the address that you and Jack suggested: permissions@wikimedia.org. Could you check if the letter is acceptable.

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best ignored. How was I to know that you are part of the controlling power structure here and should be taken seriously when I did not know who you were? —

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party to change the name of the Bridge in German from "Steinerner Steg" to "Römerbrücke" (Roman bridge). The mayors answer from July 23rd, 2008 in full was:

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an emergency. Whether you agree or not. If you don't see it that way, you're one of the folk that is neither leading nor following. At least in my view. ++

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To TPWs, this was a category that was renamed, it has a redirect template, and the speedy tagging was reverted by the tagger, nothing to see here. ++

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articles (say, everything starting with "Z"), assuming it met your other conditions? Or do you have something else in mind for an initial trial? --

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cases against each other on the CU page, after the results were reported... it's just not a good approach. I don't know if that helps or not. ++

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More people like the esteemed Lar and less dancing on skulls? Actually paying someone? (Do we do that already, must head to meta to check.)

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on her talk, and Mattisse apologises, but qualifies it as "late at night", (per the usual pattern of not unqualifiedly ever admitting fault).

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which contained a list of needed changes. The reviewer unfortunately immediately failed the article instead of giving the article editor,

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on Maralia's talk page, where Mattisse turns up to claim some rather outlandish things, quickly debunked by Maralia and Malleus Fatuorum.

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in answer to my question above, that you made a "substantial number of edits on that page. I stand behind them", regarding the original

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Lars says I "general disparaging tone about another editor's credit for the article. All I did was stick up for my role in the article:

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No sign of actual sockpuppetry for a long time it appears. The ban (on any page related to the election) is current, but the editor (

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Get out of the way, opposers, or this project will go down. Sooner or later someone with some smarty pants lawyers will bring it down.

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His link go to a question born from my ignorance that before my time on Knowledge, I did not know that SandyGeorgia Opposed articles.

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so disappointed in myself for wasting time with these people in the mud. i hope they are proud of themselves as human beings. wow

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that do come up from time to time (not the only topic, of course, but one of them). I like things to be harmonous. See, for example

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There is ongoing discussion there on the wisdom of "training" new admins to deal with sockpuppets. Your input would be valuable.

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protection on this basis.) I know of no version in which an admin reverting an anon edit would not flag, at least by default.

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I find your comments at the Jimbo arbitration gratuitously offensive. I am one of those who objected to the FR testing program

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times and passed on by the people of the region for centuries; well that hasn't been the case - the name is a pure invention.

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I'm really sad to see this. To answer your inevitable question first, Lar and I first came together over an acrimonious GAN,

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I am concerned lest massive iteration of sockpuppet charges against one editor are a possible inproper use of a talk page.

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Really, Mattisse... no one wants you driven away. We want you to continue to do the many good things you do, but edits like

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Hi Lar, I've just sent a solid confirmation about this; and I'll send a double-confirm from my wiki email account. Cheers,

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I wanted to thank you for putting up with our collective nonsense and helping prove that the case was unjustified. I hope

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Note: This also refers to SandyGeorgia's trying to set me up for a 3-RR block and disruptively voting against an editor,

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First do no harm, of course. This is for no-brainer items like phone numbers, addresses, Tania Z accusations, et allia.

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want to be a flagger. That's a recipe for backlog, and ultimately for sending anons away and becoming Citizendium.

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Moulton again. Tell you what, Barry. Put this ... stuff.... on some blog somewhere and I'll link to it, for you...

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and since I trust you as one of those to help better wikipedia, do remember to keep an eye on this chump. ^_-

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disagree about what the endpoint or goal is. I'll leave you to the privacy of your talk page now. :) --

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GAR, then SandyGeorgia did not "happen across" it. I was asked and gave a second opinion on the article

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to Sesshormaru - please reevaluate your claim regarding Sagara Sanosuke, as it is greatly exaggerated)

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Damage to the project itself: Decline in reputation (thus participation and funding) and/or lawsuits.

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Check contribs. How can one person do so much damage in 48 hours? I give up. I really give up.

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reaching GA status. That is why I struck it out. He was claming credit for something he did not do.

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This sounds like a content dispute. Is there a specific thing (either of) you wanted me to do? ++

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to me was so bizarre, I question her ability to see this objectively. I hope I am wrong. Cheers,

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Finally, do we have any real (and public) information on how bad the damage done to date is?

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because the proposal made was poorly thought out and would result in meaningless test results.

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mentioning it.) Where is the line properly drawn? Many thnaks for your opinion thereon.

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reasonable discussion about it, to publish my material elsewhere, or to leave the project.

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in taking a look or offering feedback, it'd be much appreciated :-) - here's the link;

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I think they're all changed now... if you spot any I missed please fix them. Thanks. ++

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This has nothing, in itself, to do with Thatcher's analysis, which is pure conjecture.

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To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting

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serious trimming and will likely lose imagery. I also reported one of the editors to

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started using the wiki only recently for the LDConfig file. Thx for taking care, w.

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can finally put whatever triggered this behind him and move on, as I have tried to.

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you will take the time to understand the ramifications of you edit contributaion to

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Thank you. If that protocol is widely used (and it would not have been in force on

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if you would rather respond to my corrections of the inaccuracies there. Regards, —

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I read it, thanks. I'm still concerned, I think a lot of folk were rather hot. ++

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Me thinks the foundation will need an email from the museum confirming this. (?)

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left a note about 5 days ago on his talk page about a letter; he posted it here:

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Knowledge:Requests_for_comment/Mattisse_3#Response_to_Lars_edits_and_allegations

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This is why I changed my selection. Will Lars assume good faith and believe me?

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a democracy, not a government, and not a social experiment. It is a project. ++

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and posted to my page complaining about the strikeout. I immediately apologize.

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for getting new contributers to this, the ultimate Ponzi-scheme encyclopedia.

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Hope you're well - I thought I'd drop you a note in here for a few reasons;

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As for the incivility of the IP, ah forget it, I have better things to do. --

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a short translation: bride built in 1616/1617 by architect Andrä Tanner from

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I haven't looked closely. But at first blush, any statement that starts out

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If you look, you will see that I was the one who was mostly responsible for

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negative discussions about me with unnamed other editors will only harm me?

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from Knowledge. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because

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The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXXIV (December 2008)

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Sometimes neither argument, nor discussion is needed, but rather action.

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Yes, via protection. Make a case for why you need it and ask an admin.

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Knowledge:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Nyoman Rudana/Museum Rudana

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Thanks! Best wishes to you and yours for a happy and safe new year! ++

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Tricky to get that outcome but it is to be hoped for. Best wishes. ++

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Just doublechecked. My Knowledge email is set to the gmail address.

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to restore the original words of the other editor, continues with a

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Wikipedia_talk:New_admin_school/Dealing_with_disputes#Some_thoughts

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All dates approximate, conversations organised by thread start date

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I trust no-one who believes that slogan. Are you open for recall?

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that, but I don't see that as a problem, but rather a feature. ++

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View the source of the page to see how, it's done using templates.

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You are the only one who thinks what I did was worthy of censure.

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an article the other editor said they worked on, then after being

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know nothing about other than what I just read in the article. ++

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Lar, and here he had told me was frighteningly apathetic. ^_-

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and because I do not engage in the email planning that goes on.

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Hey Lar, and I thought MY experience was a bad one. Glance at

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What were your comments there? The editor most involved there,

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Hey Lar, we've gone back and forth a couple of times over at

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I specifically said we should do a trial involving BLPs).

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modifying the words of another. This one gets Mattisse a

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be more discretionary, even initially, but that's OK. ++

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Provided you will strike the statement linked to above.

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was part of Austria from 1363 until 1919 and was named "

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Therefore one incident is falsely made to look like two.

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and others meet that standard. Tried doing the same for

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explain in what way these are of concern. Thank you. --

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For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian,

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Gimmetrow made it plain that she did not blame me. See

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enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Lar/Archive 50!

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general disparaging tone about another editor's credit

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Wrong Elonka discussion, no LEGO here, move along. -

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http://homepage.mac.com/widagdo/.Public/MPLLetter.jpg

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happened across an article under GA review ... After

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For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see

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Thanks. This kind has no calories which is good! ++

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I'll try to take a look if no one else is on it. ++

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If you haven't already, post a request in 3896:Userpages and signatures and some other things 3214:User talk:Swidagdo#an end to the image hassles? 1356: 3677:Commons has a (not very active) mailing list. 3602:but if I am, I suspect no one will like it. ++ 2115:User_talk:Mattisse/Archive_16#Brenda_Song_GAR 2090:happened across an article under GA review ) 1280:. My intentions were good. I mean to... -- 1192:on December 29. Am I being paranoid or don't 117: 8: 5245:Knowledge:Sockpuppet_investigations/Alansohn 1042: 5445:in the discussion. You have been warned. - 4871:that we will implement flagged revisions." 4003:Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{ 3809:any event, thanks for taking care of that. 3563:some others. Don't make me get involved. ++ 3231:User:Rlevse/Application to date my daughter 2315:, Mattisse edits someone else's comment to 1394:I recently read a bunch of threads over at 283:1 September 2006 through 15 September 2006 3035:Prontuario dei nomi locali dell'Alto Adige 2504:and here I describe my article involvement 2412:up until recently, still gettin' there ;) 124: 110: 5441:Thanks. 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Good luck. ++ 3660:User:Privatemusings/Lets_talk_about_sex 2934:This has been an automated delivery by 2079:(Added this to previous edit of "After 1933:Your contributions to the compiling of 1180:Hi :) I was glancing at the history of 1017:1 December 2018 through 1 January 2021 928:1 January 2011 through 1 February 2011 909:1 December 2010 through 1 January 2011 889:1 October 2010 through 1 November 2010 869:1 August 2010 through 1 September 2010 799:1 January 2010 through 1 February 2010 780:1 December 2009 through 1 January 2010 760:1 October 2009 through 1 November 2009 740:1 August 2009 through 1 September 2009 670:1 January 2009 through 1 February 2009 651:1 December 2008 through 1 January 2009 631:1 October 2008 through 1 November 2008 611:1 August 2008 through 1 September 2008 541:1 January 2008 through 1 February 2008 522:1 December 2007 through 1 January 2008 502:1 October 2007 through 1 November 2007 482:1 August 2007 through 1 September 2007 372:1 January 2007 through 15 January 2007 303:1 October 2006 through 15 October 2006 3944:Note: All of this is explained in the 1398:and I am baffled by his comentary. -- 1027:1 January 2021 through 1 January 2023 402:15 February 2007 through 1 March 2007 50: 938:1 February 2011 through 1 March 2011 809:1 February 2010 through 1 March 2010 680:1 February 2009 through 1 March 2009 551:1 February 2008 through 1 March 2008 263:1 August 2006 through 15 August 2006 7: 2342:Note: This is the edit at issue here 2197:receptive to talk page suggestions: 2034:Note: This refers to a quid pro quo 1770:Mattisse, there is a section called 1188:, and I noticed that you CU blocked 4221:Your offense is your own language: 2542:This discussion went nowhere useful 1776:have been invited to give your side 968:1 May 2011 through 1 December 2012 432:15 March 2007 through 1 April 2007 412:1 March 2007 through 15 March 2007 253:15 July 2006 through 1 August 2006 3939:but with your userid where Lar is. 2882:User_talk:Lar#Your_edits_to_my_RFC 2487:As noted he reverted my strikeout: 2185:and editors worked on the article 948:1 March 2011 through 1 April 2011 859:1 July 2010 through 1 August 2010 819:1 March 2010 through 1 April 2010 730:1 July 2009 through 1 August 2009 690:1 March 2009 through 1 April 2009 601:1 July 2008 through 1 August 2008 561:1 March 2008 through 1 April 2008 472:1 July 2007 through 1 August 2007 24: 5526:Category:A-Class Beatles articles 5515:Category:A-Class Beatles articles 5507:Category:A-Class Beatles articles 5489:Category:A-Class Beatles articles 4865:Knowledge talk:Flagged protection 4750:actually successful generalissimo 4520:Knowledge talk:Flagged protection 3139:Knowledge talk:Naming conventions 2221:nomination that supports my view. 243:1 July 2006 through 15 July 2006 233:15 June 2006 through 1 July 2006 223:1 June 2006 through 15 June 2006 4624:for details. Hope that helps. ++ 4553:No bad faith, no invective. See 3723:Real life stalking by Ecoleetage 2857:Thanks guys! I appreciate it. ++ 2256:Change this post of Casliber's: 1726:I have looked at the history of 958:1 April 2011 through 1 May 2011 849:1 June 2010 through 1 July 2010 829:1 April 2010 through 1 May 2010 720:1 June 2009 through 1 July 2009 700:1 April 2009 through 1 May 2009 591:1 June 2008 through 1 July 2008 571:1 April 2008 through 1 May 2008 462:1 June 2007 through 1 July 2007 442:1 April 2007 through 1 May 2007 213:15 May 2006 through 1 June 2006 153:start through about 22 Jan 2006 3416:, Noclador deletes it again as 2816:User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! 839:1 May 2010 through 1 June 2010 710:1 May 2009 through 1 June 2009 581:1 May 2008 through 1 June 2008 452:1 May 2007 through 1 June 2007 203:1 May 2006 through 15 May 2006 193:15 Apr 2006 through 1 May 2006 183:1 Apr 2006 through 15 Apr 2006 163:22 Jan 2006 through 1 Mar 2006 5501:Hello, this is a message from 4243:Talk:Ted Kennedy#What happened 1059:(27 Dec 2005) through present 422:Trentino — South Tyrol topics 173:1 Mar 2006 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