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434:), and just send your friends and allies Private Messages either through Knowledge (XXG)'s own Private Message system, or through private e-mails outside of Knowledge (XXG) altogether, or maybe through some Facebook page, or Yahoo Discussion Group (or whatever), in which only your favourite WikiFeminists are invited to participate. (Incidentally, that of course rules me out since I've already mentioned previously that I'm not a feminist, as distinct from an occasional sympathiser). If you or any other WikiFeminist were to do so (probably preferably without my knowledge, and on the admittedly not-especially-likely assumption that you and/or other WikiFeminists haven't done so already), I'd wish you the best of luck if I could (though this would presumably be impossible as I wouldn't know about it), though you might be advised to check with Wikilawyers before openly admitting to perpetrating such a possible Wikisin and/or Wikicrime, "as even if it isn't canvassing it" might lead "to the imagery of canvassing and" might be "just in general, inappropriate". Oh dear, I wonder will I now be banned for life (or 1873:
against their sactions. I respectfully request that editors (from the EDITOR RETENTION page, seriously?) kindly stop badgering women who aren't doing anything wrong, just because they are feminists who aren't doing everything the way you guys want. People who edit here are going to be female, and they are going to have ideas you don't like. These silencing bully tactics against whatever female target du jour by the same anti-feminist cliques are tiresome, predictable, and a huge part of why editor participation and retention is failing on WP. Building an encyclopedia doesn't mean we build it your way or not at all.
474:), since you said 'your' and I said 'you'. It all seems just another part of the absurdity that is such an integral part of Knowledge (XXG)'s consensus system of government which makes it almost impossible to get rid of foolish rules. But anyway I've no wish to pursue this discussion with you any further, for fear of unnecessarily risking escalating a pointless dispute. So provided any reply you care to make is not unduly provocative, I propose to quit this discussion, leaving you to avail of the opportunity to have the last word should you wish to do so. Regards, farewell, and have a nice day. 455:
discern where she's getting this list. Is she just going throughout the entire category of 'Women wikipedians' and notifying them? There are far more within that category and it also seems she was going through alphabetical order in that, so that can't be it. So where is she getting this list to notify? Again, it just appears that it's possible she's informing people she knows will !vote the way she wants in that proposal. Additionally, since general arbcom sanctions are active for the gender gap in general, this could be a violation if it's indeed canvassing.
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it. The overall message is that if women aren't willing to be out and proud as women, they can't join your group. If your goal is to provide a place free from disruption, you'd be better off with some kind of moderation that allows disruptive people to be banned from the page rather than focusing on requiring that prospective members specify both gender and internationalization (which doesn't actually prevent disruption because people can lie - and some women contributors can be at least as disruptive as men contributors).
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talking to anybody except LB. And if she's in violation, it's a violation of a somewhat absurd and unenforceable law, since all she has to do is canvas by Private message/e-mail, etc, probably just like every other faction (and as I expect I would do myself if I ever felt the need to join some faction), which is presumably what she will do from now on if she wants to do any more canvassing. Similarly you and I are arguably both currently also in violation of another somewhat absurd and unenforceable law (
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when your all women project comes together what things do you plan on talking about? I want to hear this in more of your words and not something that you prepared for the idea. Will the focus of the group be to bring in new editors if so, how? How do you plan on convincing Knowledge (XXG) as a whole to adopt ideas created by a group of women? (Sorry to ask so much just my thoughts though is all) -
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preference set to something other than "She edits wiki pages," or not to join the category "Female Wikipedians," than it is to be a part of the group, there is still the Teahouse to reach out to for support. But for women who are members of the group, there is some comfort in knowing that other members of the group are "out" as women on all of Knowledge (XXG), and not just for access to the group.
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deal with from other editors on the GSL page. My point is, I'm fine with leaving it there for now, so please don't try to change it on my account. If you ever feel the need to stand up for me, just bring it up with me on my talk page first. I refuse to be anyone else's burden, if I can help it, but thank you for your vigilance and all your efforts trying to make me feel welcome and safe.
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blocked for puppetry in the last 60 days does make reasonable persons ask reasonable questions. I honestly hope I am wrong and the check user proves me wrong but I also see many things that I felt needed addressing. It is not personal as it often gets down to personal insults of which I have sustained for making a reasonable report. It has not been from you and I appreciate that.
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on Knowledge (XXG). The latter two sanctions are in place indefinitely. You're welcome to contact me if you require clarification of anything. Note that the interaction ban is one-way, so you are not subject subject to sanctions yourself. I would, though, advise that you give him a wide berth andā€”within reasonā€”avoid giving him any reason to interact with you. Best,
1724:, I saw your recent post as to whether you are able to participate; of course, the answer is yes. Has the discussion grown a tad heated in places? Yes. Do I think all parties are acting in good faith? I honestly do, including Eric. I do not think requesting sanctions for his participation was helpful, but at the same time, I will monitor the discussion in the event 2831: 253:), but I was not even aware of the renewed debate until its conclusions (which I mostly support) got disputed 2 months later, and in any case I am in no position to give a female or a feminist perspective, since I am neither female nor a feminist (as distinct from an occasional sympathizer with some parts of the feminist perspective on a case-by-case basis). 2859:, and give us a little time to make any last changes before we start inviting editors to the space. If some of you know you will be unavailable during this time, it's totally fine if you need to bow out for the pilot. But we do need all the mentors we can get, so even if you can take the time to mentor just one or two editors, that would be fantastic. 2778: 438:) after being found 'guilty' of being open, honest, and transparent (not to mention the possibly even worse Wikicrime of openly taking Knowledge (XXG)'s Gender Equality objectives seriously instead of merely paying lip service to them) by writing this here instead of sending it to you by Private Message?. Regards, and best of luck. 2430:
members of the WER project. If they decide to leave Knowledge (XXG), it won't have been ultimately your fault, and I for one will not be begging them to come back. But please try to stay away from drama. Don't even think of doing or saying anything that could be in the slightest bit construed as you taking a poke at someone. -
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asks subscribers to confirm "that you are a woman". Perhaps it's best to leave it there, and people will identify with that statement or not. I wouldn't include the issue of user preferences being set to she, sexual orientation, or whether someone has joined a certain category. I can't see that those
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I'll be putting out a formal update sometime soon, but I wanted to inform you that I've decided to push our start date back to mid-February rather than in January. There are number of reasons for this, but the biggest factor is that we are now facing the hard work of implementing our designs on the
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I have just closed the arbitration enforcement request against Mike Searson. Mike is blocked for a month, topic-banned from gun control (broadly construed), andā€”the reason I'm informing you specificallyā€”prohibited from diretly or indirectly interacting with, commenting on, or addressing you anywhere
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I took it to the tea house and am receiving counsel. I'm fine with giving IP editor a chance to respond to my request on their talk page. If they do not respond I will file a grievance. Despite the fact that section makes me feel very uncomfortable, it stands as an excellent symbol of what I have to
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As an aside, you're basically proposing that a social space be set up on Knowledge (XXG). Some will see as unnecessary because people are supposed to be here to build an encyclopaedia and discussions on wiki are supposed to be focused on ways to improve articles. If you want this proposal to succeed
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Agreed entirely with Kudpung's first sentiment, and sort of ambivalent on the second: there's the self-preservation argument, but...if the system is incapable of handling people actually enforcing our theoretical behavioural standards, it's broken and should be pushed over. Ultimately, though, it's
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I've gone over the list of members and there about 80 or so editors that may be women. I really have no way of knowing. Why don't you invite those 80 to participate in the WER Consultation. Please just make your invitation as simple as possible. If you could "send" me a copy I would appreciate it.
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I did not do anything to "us" last year. I'll take responsibility for my own behavior, but not yours. The way you worded your comments at ARE was as much about taking a poke at me as it was about defending Mike, otherwise you could have simply said: "Mike can be very sarcastic, but I don't think he
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Second, you say that women need a safe space but you are excluding some of the women who need it - ones who might not want to specify both their gender and the internationalization. You say above that they can go to the Teahouse but you say elsewhere that the Teahouse isn't well-run because men run
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When a person subscribes to the Systers list, they must be approved by a moderator. They give their email address and their name, and they have to 1) tell their involvement in tech (1-2 sentences suffice), 2) say that they are a woman, and 3) say that they have read and agree to the list's rules (a
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When a person registers an account on Knowledge (XXG), they have to give a username, which does not have to be their real name, and... that's it. You don't have to give your real name. You don't have to give an email address. You don't have to state your gender. However, as we all know, gender does
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The objective is to have a women-only space on Knowledge (XXG) as a place first and foremost for women to feel safe - a refuge. I have based the idea on the Anita Borg Institute's Systers list. Although the groups would be similar in their goals - a safe place for women to talk about tech (Systers)
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Lightbreather, nothing personal, but I don't think anything is going to come of the discussion at my talk page, so I closed it. The conversation is in the page history, but I deleted it so as not to attract a big debate there. I've just finished a very contentious content dispute elsewhere and my
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I'm sorry you were treated the way you were at WT:WER and on the AE case. Whether you have been subject to sanctions or disciplinary measures in the past or not, that's no excuse for them to behave they way they did. They ought to be ashamed of themselves for being admins and/or purporting to be
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You indicated you are not afraid of a check user. Would you volunteer that it be done then on the SPI noticeboard? If a check user comes to nothing then my sincere apologies for wasting valuable time of you and others. The coinciding of edits does seem very suspicious and seeing that you have been
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First, the Anita Borg Systers group is completely private: non-members are unable to read the list and message are not publicly archived. A completely private area isn't possible on Knowledge (XXG) and so you cannot apply the same membership standards. You're asking people to give up their privacy
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lengthy set). Then the person's request is evaluated by a moderator, and the email address is confirmed. This process goes a long way toward assuring the list members that they're safe. This process has been successful in making and keeping Systers a valued place for women in tech for a long time.
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Welcome =). I still feel as well that we (as an encyclopedia) should focus on a targeted age of women's editors before looking at the bigger picture. Age difference I feel is the same for both sexes what the younger generations find good practices the older generations might disagree with. If and
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Please understand, I'm not here to pick a fight. But why I showed up at ARE is that there are Editors who monitor you and me. For better or worse, you thrust both of us into a very large "fish bowl" last year. I'm happy just to be past the Tban, but apparently there are others watching both of us
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Line 3 requires that participants set their Internationisation user preference to "She edits wiki pages." Again, why? To alter some number to make female presence more visible in statistics? Again, this should be a suggestion only. I fail to understand why this is relevant to participation in the
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I understand that the project wants to encourage women to come out of invisibility and make their presence more, well, visible, but revealing any degree of personal information, including age, sex, gender, location, name, etc, and the method of revealing it, should always remain the choice of the
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Do not give barnstars to administrators blocking editors you are in disagreement with or who you have reported for breaching discretionary sanctions. If you do this again, you will be blocked. This sort of behaviour does nothing to improve the editing atmosphere on the project, as you well know.
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As you wish, LadyofShalott, and no hard feelings on my part. While hosting this test group in my space, these requirements feel safer to me. As I said, perhaps if WikiProject Women gets off the ground a better way to do this will be agreed upon. Perhaps someone should start a test group in their
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Please feel free to call it sarcasm or anything else if you want. As far as I'm concerned what I said was basically the self-evident truth (apart from some mild and doubtless foolish attempts at slightly surreal humor), so I prefer to call it truth, honesty, and realism. But in any case I wasn't
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Your sarcasm is not appreciated. The canvassing guideline is very clear about mass notifications and notifications and messages sent to only one side of the argument. What I see in Lightbreather's messaging is that she's informing only women about the notification, and not only that, but I can't
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I'm glad all of you showed up to pile on LB, it case you think she didn't hear you all the first hundred times. May I ask why she should withdraw her request? If someone is breaking their sanctions, it's kind of on them, no? Nobody forced anybody to respond to her regarding the topic of gender,
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Hello Lightbreather. I was looking at your contributions and you seem to have sent the same IdeaLab to a good amount of people, and that doing this seems to have the visual representation of canvassing. There doesn't seem to be a pattern on the amount of people that you are notifying. Are these
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Hey LB, now that we're free of our "restraints", I wanted to thank you for something. I realize that we had a rocky start, our ups and downs, and it appeared like you genuinely despised me at times, but looking for a positive side to this whole experience, I wanted to say that as a result I've
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in Knowledge (XXG)Ā :) Maybe next time you should do as common sense suggests most or all of the other Wiki-factions probably do (although obviously, this is inherently incapable of either proof or disproof, and me even speculating about it is doubtless a deplorable violation of everything from
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unsafe to set your preference to "She edits" or to add your username to the Female Wikipedians category. And 2. Some have suggested that to say that one feels unsafe here makes light of the fears of women who are or have been physically unsafe in the real world. However, many women who suffer
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For defending Knowledge (XXG) from those who have no commitment to the fourth pillar, TOU, and also from those who think their role is to cover for those who have no commitment to the fourth pillar, TOU. Others will be saved from dealing with such subversive elements because people like you
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I don't think those who want to join this group should have to share their real names and email addresses. However, I do think that asking them to make a small sacrifice for the peace of mind of other group members is reasonable. If it is more important to a woman Wikipedian to keep her user
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Not for being civil, but for your actions to ensure others are. I'm deeply sorry for the flak people are throwing at you, and deeply grateful that, despite it, you're still doing your darndest to create an accepting and, frankly, humane, environment for contributorsĀ :).
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Is insulting a religion counted as personal attack to the followers of that religion? How about if some one insult the religion in whole? such as saying: "I don't care about your beliefs about degenerate religious thinking!" or "all religious texts are fictional".
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OK, fair enough. There was no poke intended, but I can understand how you'd take it that way. I won't participate in discussions with you, unless I'm called to it. But I intend to edit what I have an interest in regardless of who is already involved. Take care,
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Please withdraw this report in the interest of building an encyclopedia. There is no violation, this is only going to result in your request being denied and Eric being provoked. He was provoked recently and showed remarkable restraint but patience is always
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Montanabw, do you believe an editor who sets their user preference to "She edits," or who joins the "Female Wikipedians" category, is less safe than other editors? If so, in what way do you mean? For instance, on Knowledge (XXG), or in real life, or what?
988:, I hope that my "Response" below explains my thinking better. For a group in my user space, the pledge seems reasonable. If the proposed WikiProject Women group gets going, with WMF resources and guidance, maybe a better way to do this will be devised. 1631:
While I've watched AE for years, this is the first time I ever commented in the admin section. So I can't claim too much expertise, and I don't want to dominate that section. In answer to your question about other people being sanctioned, I'm aware of
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Systers group asks. In other words, both Systers and this Kaffeeklatsch ask women to say, "I am a woman," but the Systers group (smartly) asks additionally for two substantive pieces of information, to give some peace of mind to the group. Since it
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Our notices were dated July 14 and were for six months, so unless Knowledge (XXG) has some non-standard definition of what constitutes six months, I should think the ban is over. If not, I hope the powers that be assume good faith on my part.
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on Meta that it might benefit from Female/Feminist input. Besides your own early contribution (for which you have my thanks), two other overt feminists, CarolmooreDC and Neotarf, put in significant input at the debate's earlier forum
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No, I am not proposing a social space, or at least not a mainly social space. I want it to be more focused on community, policies, and guidelines than on content, but content discussion will not be off limits. The space's goals are:
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OK, fair enough, that's how I arrived a the January 15 date that I posted on my Talk page. But with various editors in various time zones and such, you never know how someone is going to interpret something. I'd rather be safe than
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Please read the "Vote stacking" section. You are clearly cherry picking your notifications to areas where you expect support. If you cannot see your bias then I suggest you leave notifying editors about the debate to other people.
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and Knowledge (XXG) (Kaffeeklatsch) - their framework is different. The Systers group has been active for over 20 years. The Kaffeeklatsch is a test group while the WikiProject Women proposal is under consideration at the IdeaLab.
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Usually I don't mind what people's religion are, but when you use it as a tactic to disrupt Knowledge (XXG), you lose all entitlement to pretend to be insulted. Knowledge (XXG) exists to disseminate knowledge. Not to support the
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but I suspect someone might come after me. I really don't like these rumors about me baiting EC (note the lack of diffs with these claims) floating around to besmirch my reputation with editors who should happen to read them.
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You may not know how important your presence here has been to me, so I'm here to tell you, I would not have had the courage to keep caring about WP if it wasn't for you. No matter what happens, please, never forget that.
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Kaffeeklatsch. As said, there probably are more women than just me who have left it at "prefer not to say" for reasons other than fear of sexism or harassment. For myself, it's because of my native tongue and culture. --
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to manage his own talk page; he has already hatted that section, so that it will only be seen by someone who actively digs for it, and he has already declined a request to revdelete another passage. My advice is to
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end up being divulged, intentionally or otherwise. The editing environment is hostile, which feels unsafe to a lot of women, and little is done about it, nor is little likely to be done about it in the near future.
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I'm sorry for all of the angst and stress that resulted and I believe that you were on the receiving end of some undeserved negative efforts, but as a regular User I have little or no power to do anything about it.
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I think to belittle someone because of their religious belief - or because they're atheist or agnostic - is rude, but I'm not sure why you're asking me. My opinion on the matter doesn't carry special weight here.
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As for the Teahouse, yes, I don't think it feels as safe for women as a women-only space would feel. (I was once told by a Teahouse host that I was being too sensitive. This is a common way to belittle
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At any rate, as I said, this is only a test group for now, and it is to be hoped that the IdeaLab proposal may get off the ground, and then perhaps there will be better ways of managing membership.
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Being granted reviewer rights neither grants you status nor changes how you can edit articles. If you do not want this user right, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time.
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Line 2 requires that participants out themselves as females by being in the Category:Female Wikipedians. Why is this a requirement? Is not participation in the Kaffeeklatsch outing enough?
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I understand. I only ask that you please tone-down your comments about me. I am editing in good faith, and even if we disagree, there's no need for overly judgmental personal comments.
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and is also mass posting. I would appreciate it that if you stop doing this, as even if it isn't canvassing it leads to the imagery of canvassing and is just in general, inappropriate.
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However, it does not have special rights or privileges, and it cannot make rules (that apply outside the group), nor can it impose its preferences on articles, policies, or guidelines.
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I am a genderqueer person, and I would like to join. I noticed that you allow trans women in (which is great!) but I am just wondering whether I could too. No hard feelings if not.Ā :)
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energy is at a low ebb, I can really only manage one drama at a time and a different drama that I need to prioritize is heading up (with people of both sexes being bullied, FWIW).
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is a big improvement from its previous form, but isn't totally inclusive of intersex persons or female-sexed persons with non-binary gender (agender, intergender, genderfluid, etc.).
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Personally I was concerned with the pledge, especially parts 2 and 3, but had trouble finding the words for it. Here are my thoughts now that I have had some time to gather them.
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Nice idea, but not at Knowledge (XXG). Things are going reasonably well at the moment, so why erect a target to inflame the situation? Please close it down before the inevitable
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removed myself from the group. I joined with concerns about the pledge - concerns others share - but your response makes it clear you do not agree. I can not therefore remain.
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learned more about Knowledge (XXG) in 2014 than I ever expected. It seems that we've both experienced a learning curve of sorts, but this would not have happened without you.
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can offer similar testimonials to these challenges. We also want to make sure there is time for us and for you to test the environment out, ask questions at our project's
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I wish your all women's project the best of luck if it does work out. After thinking it over I am open to seeing the results I just remain a bit skeptical though is all. -
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I don't see this as being your proposal to ask that it be closed. In any case it's normal to let these gather comment for more than a day and to be closed in due course.
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As for taking the group off-wiki, I am in the middle of collaborating with the Systers-keeper to set up a Knowledge (XXG) Systers space, which will be a private space to
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For no particular reason... Also, I've added your name to the hosts whose names appear on HostBot invites, per your request at the lounge. Keep up the persistence, -
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I am rescinding my statement that I will make arrangements. A discussion is on-going as to how to invite all WER members but I have withdrawn from that discussion.
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very carefully. I made my comments in defense of Mike and was trying to be specific of how his comments can be misunderstood so easily when taken out of context. --
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I would sign the pledge, as I am a woman editor who greatly appreciates this effort, but I do not want to identify myself as a woman via preferences or categories.
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Incidentally, LB, where is your above-mentioned idea proposal page? (Note: I composed and then added my above comment before noticing your above reply to Tutelary).
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If you do not intend to take cases or help with the administration of DRN on a regular basis, or if you do not wish to receive further notices of this nature,
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Sorry, Ongepotchket. Maybe if the WikiProject Women proposal gets off the ground, with WMF resources and guidance, a better way to do this will be devised.
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people from the gender gap wikiproject? Great, just do a small notification there. However, single notification to all those editors seems to be violating
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I've read what you wrote and started a related discussion on my idea proposal discussion page. If you have more to say, please take it there. Thanks.
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Frankly you are poking the bear and this bear has been very productive while showing a remarkable improvement in behavior since the recent remedies.
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As a member of Retention, I'm requesting that you withdraw your report at AE. If there's a case to be made, it should be brought forward by an
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Hi Lightbreather, I left this comment on the Kaffeeklatsch page, but I haven't signed the pledge yet, so I've moved it here. Sorry about that.
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person themselves, and not be requirement to join any group, especially when that group is the only women-only on-wiki space available.
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remove your username from the volunteer list. If you later decide to resume activities at DRN you may relist your name at that time.
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real-world abuse suffer it hand-in-hand with electronic abuse. And psychological abuse effects how safe one feels in the real world.
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Discretionary sanctions is a system of conduct regulation designed to minimize disruption to controversial topics. This means
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You could also help improve some of the dozens of articles about women and topics of interest to women that I have worked on:
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and to expose themselves for not much in the way of a return. If you want to offer privacy you'll have to take this off-wiki.
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I understand the model you're trying to emulate but I don't see it working here on Knowledge (XXG) for a couple of reasons.
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Oh dear, LB. It looks like you are suspected of being 'guilty' of being open, honest, and transparent, which seems to be a
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That would be off site canvassing, and could be even worse in terms of violations of the policy. Also, it may be seen as
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https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive_comments_on_User_talk:Eric_Corbett
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or any other policies. Thank you for the help request, and let me know if I can be of further assistance. All the best,
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be too much to ask women here to share their names and email addresses, asking for these other assurances is reasonable.
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Why ask those who would like to join the Kaffeeklatsch to change their user preference to "She edits wiki pages,"
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No worries. I have to look it up every few months to figure out how to do it for some discussion or another. --
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at the idea that Knowledge (XXG) can feel unsafe to women - but turned around elsewhere and suggested that it
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for Callanecc to confirm its expiration, but I'd hate for either of us to blow it by one day or just hours. --
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Please feel free to improve these articles that I've created about women and topics of interest to women:
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Thanks. And thanks for deleting the porn image plastered on Sandstein's talk page repeatedly by vandals.
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Let me know whom you have invited and I will make arrangements to invite the balance of the membership.
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It will link to a category without adding the page to it. The same works for files. I hope this helps --
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This message is informational only and does not imply misconduct regarding your contributions to date.
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Instead of using a nowiki tag, place a colon (:) in front of the category part of a cat link. like
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No and also Hell no. I'm one of the "they" sorts and that won't change. It's a safety issue.
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administrators can impose sanctions for edits relating to the topic that do not adhere to the
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In case you're unaware, these are the kinds of things he has said in reply to me in the past:
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I just wanted to know your opinion because you have regarded "No personal attacks" as one of
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Create a space conducive to women's participation on Knowledge (XXG) (No trashing allowed);
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has been answered. If you need more help or have additional questions, please reapply the
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has been answered. If you need more help or have additional questions, please reapply the
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on pages protected by pending changes. The list of articles awaiting review is located at
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Maintain the space for women to discuss the challenges they share as women Wikipedians;
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Thank you. I assumed there was a way to do it, but if I ever knew how, I'd forgotten.
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Of course, I work on articles about men, too, and created these articles about men:
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template, or contact the responding user(s) directly on their own user talk page.
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and help write some articles about women muralists' during the Great Depression.
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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Can an uninvolved Admin please close this thing? I think it's died down now.
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As a member of Retention, I'm requesting that you withdraw your report at AE.
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Lightbreather, prove to me you are here to write an encyclopedia and improve
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to this Klatsch (and, it is to be hoped, a future WikiProject Women space).
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to add the category "Female Wikipedian" to my user page. I have done this.
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regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.
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from the comma after "behaviour" through "nose"? I would do it per
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because those pages cannot be reconciled with standard procedures.
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Checkusers generally decline requests such as you are suggesting.
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Now, if you don't mind, please give me some space for a while.
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because of Mike Searson's editing. It concerns you directly.
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so it is devoid of tabloid sources. Or add a few sources to
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add their username to the category "Female Wikipedians"?
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That said, thank you again and I wish you well in 2015!
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for participating the discussion. He made it easier now!
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Increase the number of women editors on Knowledge (XXG).
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I have no problem with the idea of the Kaffeeklatsch. --
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So AGF, nice edits on the Gun Show Loophole article. --
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