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prose. I wanted to have a quick reference to fix this problem. I did a save back to the article before my edit to return it at about the same time as you. I wonder though on your opinion of something (OK, besides my being a pain) what do you think is better....leaving the commented out refs alone (which means they are not really referenced) or attempting to find these from the article history? --
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I am so sorry. I didn't know that canvassing uninvolved editors to a dispute resolution based on their having involvement in a different edit was allowed. Should I do the same? No...I think we should both leave this editor and others out of your dispute. If this editor decides my revert of the class
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Your decision is not really in question. As you said, it was a bold edit and you were within your rights as an editor to make the change. However, in this case your edit overrode the ratings of several projects. Would it not have been better to simply notify the projects of your change first or even
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Hello John, I reviewed the nowrap edits you made and it all looks great, I checked the code but more importantly I checked if it worked, the old-fashioned way, scrunching up the browser window and seeing how the text changes. In fact, all the edits you made look excellent, very much appreciated. By
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Thanks very much. I have indirect JSTOR access, and so should be able to reach those. I've also discovered an on-line Jewish translation of the Bible with Rashi's commentary, which will also help.
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The Strophic Structure of Habakkuk. Fred T. Kelly. The American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures, Vol. 18, No. 2 (Jan., 1902), pp. 94-119
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The Literary Structure of the Book of Habakkuk. H. H. Walker, N. W. Lund. Journal of Biblical Literature, Vol. 53, No. 4 (Dec., 1934), pp. 355-370
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