User talk:Tina Cordon - Knowledge (XXG)

226:(so to speak) of Butterley Tunnel and published lengthy stories on it, remarking that it would be the 9th longest navigable canal tunnel in the world if the canal were repaired, etc., etc., then that would show that they consider the tunnel notable--and therefore using Uncle G's criterion (and my criterion above) I think the tunnel would be deemed notable enough for inclusion in Knowledge (XXG). In sum, we don't rely on subjective impressions of notability to tell if something is notable, we rely on independent publications' editorial decisions of what to feature in their publications. Hope I'm making sense, if not feel free to ignore me, or to ask me, or to ask someone more experienced (I've been here < 2 mos.) :) 2165:

article 'List of lattice truss bridges in the United Kingdom' which I have just established, I have readily located photos of Belah and I cannot see why this does not meet your criteria, though of course it is not clear what those criteria are. I infer that the common features between Bennerley and Dowery Dell are 1) lattice girder superstructure and 2) iron trestle piers. If that is so, then Belah fits, as does Deepdale (on the same line I think) and possibly Meldon (and certainly the original Meldon which was only single track); also probably Crumlin. I may find more. (And Birnbeck Pier at Weston-s-Mare also meets the criteria even though its primary purpose is/was as a pier)

188:(I typed that before your last message to me--now to answer that) As to notability, P.B. is correct, Knowledge (XXG) doesn't have a set guideline as to structures. First, even if it were unarguably notable, my opinion would still be to merge because I don't think it can be significantly expanded. (But as to notability, for me, I would probably judge something to be notable if it's been featured in many independent non-trivial works--that's basically the recurring criterion in existing guidelines on the notability of 1554:

website at www.tramway.co.uk/smx/cms/tramfleet and the same but with tramfleet2. The history is adapted from the guidebook, and some of the other information is taken from the tramways blog, and from The Journal, the official Society newsletter, of which I am a member. Also, on the talk page, someone has requested a map - the one used by the NTM is copyrighted to them, but I could produce a simple line drawing. Would that suffice for Knowledge (XXG)? Thanks,

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Dear Kelly. I have attempted to deal with this but I am not sure of the proper solution. I changed my name by deed poll when I began gender reaasignment. My name was Martin Cordon, it is now Tina Cordon with a gender to match. I haven't tracked down and changed all my original edits. If you know of a

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Dear Quackdave. I would have no objection to the re-naming of the Nottingham Tunnels article. The reason I haven't used a specifically Railway Tunnel title is because Park Tunnel is not and never has been a Railway Tunnel therefore if a title like this were used it would no longer fit in the article.

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Each article I translate has a link to the original article. On the left hand side of the page there is a column containing links to articles on the same subject but in different languages. The original article has a link here. I am assuming from your comment that this is not enough, therefore I will

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Hi Tina. Keep up the good work with these articles. I don't know whether my spur-of-the-moment creation of the 'Boat lifts' category encouraged you into action, or if it was just one of those 'coincidences'. Either way it is a fascinating subject and its comforting to see that these pages are in good

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I responded on your talk page and then read your request to keep the discussion here, therefore I deleted that response. That was mistake 2. The tunnel is definitely Mansfield Road Railway Tunnel not Midland Road Railway Tunnel. That was mistake 1. I have corrected both errors, thank you for spotting

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now does (The citations don't have to be perfect, but the citation information has to be clearly there in the article for casual readers to see.), I predict that you won't have much trouble with people nominating your articles for deletion in future. Articles, even stubs, that cite multiple in-depth

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Dear Flying Stag. My ascertion of its uniqueness was based on the opinion of one of my sources, not original research of my own which as you know, I'm not allowed to include anyway. If it turns out to be wrong then feel free to correct it. I believe the opinion of my source was based on the criteria

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Further to what you said on my talk page, I didn't mind if you were being selfish - to be honest I just saw it as "guidance from an experienced member", and it has been a great help. I am reading pages that you have contributed to in great detail - many of them are from areas I am very familiar with

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Once I have translated an article, it does not remain static, I add content and I do not update the source articles with this same content. My French and German is not good enough for that. When I add content, I add references, thus staying within guidelines. The result is that over time the English

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Tina, thanks ever so much for taking such trouble over this — I hope my request about carrying on talk page discussions doesn't seem too fierce! I realised after a short period using Knowledge (XXG) that keeping topics on one page makes it easier for third parties to follow the discussion, should it

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Hey, Tina. The article looks a whole lot better now, and a lot more detailed. Though I still think the subject isn't notable enough to have its own article (and no amount of editing could change that, no offense), I think it could be a BIG edition to the Cromford Canal article. Thanks for all the

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Yes thank you. I'm also happy to see that some of the United Kingom's Wrought Iron viaducts, other than Bennerley are getting their own articles as they deserve. I do have some pictures of Dowery Dell but I do not have copyright therefore I couldn't publish them on Knowledge (XXG). I have attempted

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is built on fourteen piers. These piers support a single metal beam supporting a trough which contains more than 13,000 tonnes of water, 2.2 meters deep. The width of the aqueduct, towpaths included, is 11.5 meters and its length is 662.7 meters. Eight sluices make it possible to empty the aqueduct

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Hi Tina, Did you want to become a member of the website? Theres lots to be done if you want to help out. It's also part of the transport centre, and there are other sites there (bus and railway at the moment) and if you wanted to help with one of those, or create a new one, i would be happy to sort

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Thanks for pointing those points out Tina. I am fairly new to wikipedia, but i do know the rules. I have now finished updating the main core of the information - the trouble was that i didn't know how to do tables. I deleted the section because i am merging it into the new section. Please feel free

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Yes, it was the absence of an active link to the Scharnebeck Ship Lift on your Boat Lift page that set me off. This led to the other missing German Lifts. Thank you for the proof reading offer. Kirkfield lift and Fonserannes Water Slope will take longer to produce however. I list the new articles I

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I'm afraid I don't have the relevent book to hand at the moment. At one point I did try and track down the photos taken by the coal board of the inside of the tunnels. However the collection was broken up in the early 90s. I think the photos should be at either the county archives or the Manchester

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You're right, some of those 48 tunnels are less referenced and less notable than Butterley, and I (for one) think those should be deleted (especially those without references). But this AfD isn't over yet, and I don't know whether it will result in a merge, but it certainly won't be a deleted! You

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I've done a route map - your one certainly helped! Showed me how to figure out how to put on the pics etc! I've now completed it and put it on the page - it looks good. Next up is a line diagram. About the one i've done - Is it possible to put on the sheds etc - there are 11 roads i think. Thanks,

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How can I possibly reference my sources if it is all my own knowledge. Some of it is on my Tram Website, so shall I reference it there? Also, I wasn't trying to advertise - just to give readers an idea of the place. The day run through has been flagged - what should i do with this? Just delete it?

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Sorry, I never (usually) look at the language column! It may well be enough for WP -- I'm no expert to ask! However, having thought about this a little more, your more explicit Ext Link reference is probably a good idea. If the article exists in several other languages it would not otherwise be as

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Hello again, Tina, and you're welcome! Looking at the tunnel page now, it definitely looks like it should have its own article; if I'd have originally found it looking like that, I'd have never requested deletion. You mentioned that I requested deletion after you wrote just one line (sorry about

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I have found a description of the Underground Inclined Plane written by Francis Egerton for the Repertory of Arts and Manufactures (First Series) Volume 16 dated 1802. Pages 153 to 164. This includes an engraving. I downloaded my copy from the Internet Archive. I hope you find this useful. Let me

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Thankyou for your interest in the Kimberley Railway Cutting. We met last night at the rifle club. I must apologise if I seamed uncooperative but we have to be careful with unknown visitors asking to go in the club. The local historical society has all of our contact details, I have also forwarded

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that "Notability is not subjective.... A subject is notable if the world at large considers it notable." What I think this means is that it's not up to us to subjectively judge whether the facts you present (9th longest navigable tunnel, etc.) make the tunnel notable. Rather, it's up to us to

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You are allowed to talk about anything on User's discussion pages, you can even advertise if you wish. Obviously the owner of the user page is entitled to delete anything he considers abusive. I will check out your webpage and I am interested in your offer but I will give it some thought before

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I noticed your "Pictures Needed" list, and I feel sure that somewhere I have got some photos of Nottingham London Road High Level station that I took around that time, but annoyingly I cannot find them at the moment. I will keep looking though! (I did find one of Mansfield Road tunnel and the

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I am intrigued by your claim (which dates back to your opening contribution to this article) that there is only one viaduct similar to Bennerley, namely Dowery Dell. I have accepted it so far though it seems very unlikely in regard to Belah if not Meldon. However, while researching for a new

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That re-write seems to be fine Tina - Thanks a lot. I will probably make some changes to it, but it will only be the information - I now see where I went wrong! Another question, how can I add citations to other sites. The tramcars, with a few exceptions, are either in the guidebook, or on the

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article is a good example of this. Also, on occasion, there are paragraphs in the original articles which I have been unable to translate. In these cases, I replace this content with my own referenced research. All my translated articles now have an explicit link to the source.

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Firstly, thanks for all your excellent hard work on articles relating to railway history in the Midlands. It brings back memories of ferreting around the suburbs of Nottingham for remnants of tunnels, bridges, embankments etc. during teenage school holidays in the early 1990s!

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to do as you feel fit with the article now, but please try and keep the core info, and if possible, can you tell me how to do tables, so i can add further info in the future? Also, i noticed you have uploaded several photos - can you also tell me how to do this? Thanks,

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Now this is just the 'gist' of it, and I can't remember any more detail than that, but as this is something you do quite often I thought I would bring it to your attention so that you can investigate and/or add appropriate source links to the pages you have created.

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And now you know what to do in the future. If when creating new articles you ensure that from the first edit onwards you cite sources, either as references for the existing text or as further reading (and thus potential sources for expansion), to the degree that

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In your list of references you name the above mentioned book, written by Francis Egerton, 8th Earl of Bridgewater. One can download this book from google-books as pdf-file , but unfortunately Egerton wrote this book in french, an my french is not the very best.

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There appears to be a creeping change within the Wiki world to cite references. As with many things in life, people take them to different levels. Some people are quick to jump on the AFD route, others let things develop. Don't get put off and keep up the good

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you have already outlined but I will re-read it just to be sure. I am aware of Staithes as well. Ideally each of the Viaducts currently given space in the Bennerley Viaduct article should eventually have pages of their own. Yours Sincerely Tina

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Francis Egerton, although he was English wrote the original in French and I know of no English translation. I do speak French and therefore thought no more about translation. I will try to find an English version, if I do I will let you know.

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Hi Tina - I was moving images to Wikimedia Commons and noticed the discrepancy between your username and the attribution on the photos (Martin Cordon). Are you the photographer, or were the photos taken by someone else? An example would be

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of my revision on the right column to the previous one on the left column you'll notice that the only thing I did was revert what seemed to be an inconsequential edit, including that bit of nonsense you refer. But never mind, "Hr gav"

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Hi Tina, Just noticed some slight errors in the map - as in they arent putting the symbols on, they are simply putting the names down, and i the case of the yard, shifting the rest of the symbols across - please help! -

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obvious which was the source; similarly, it would not be as obvious whether the 'language' variant was translated from English or vice versa. (In both cases, I am ignoring any attempt to compare the actual content!)

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And as for not writing any more articles, I urge you to please reconsider that. There are plenty of subjects out there that don't have an article yet, and are quite notable. Knowledge (XXG) can never have enough

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Thank you for pointing that out. I have revisited the article, and found that you are indeed correct. I have changed my vote to keep. I hope that you continue to be an inclusionist. Good luck with the tunnel,

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Thanks Tina for doing this. I have noted a few errors, both in the original text, and I the table, which I am duly editing. I agree it does look a lot better now that it is in a table! Sorry if I caused you any

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I do understand your concerns with respect to entry into your club. I am very happy to have been able to see those parts of the building which I saw. Thank you for forwarding my details to your club secretary.

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stands as the sort of new article to aim for in future, in particular the sort of sourcing to aim for in future, and (I predict.) you'll have few, if any, dealings with AFD. You might have editors wanting to

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There is a discussion about the appropriateness or otherwise of some links that have been added to a number of pages, and subsequently removed. As you are a member of the project, you may wish to comment at

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Thanks for the pics. Didn't think about that. Do you think i should somehow put the list in a table (once i get the hang of it) so that people can view the bridges and viaducts themselves? Maybe similar to

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northern end of the Victoria cutting, but the quality isn't great - rather dark and shadowy - and I suspect it wouldn't scan well, but if and when I get access to a working scanner I may give it a go.)

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I see you have added a grey colour to the table. This is fine, however what I though would be better was to colour code the status of the fleet, i.e. Pink=In Use, Blue=Works Car etc. Thanks again,

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to obtain postcards or original photos older than 75 years in order to solve this problem hence the note in my personal page. Now that you have provided some I can concentrate on others.

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Just wanted to say congrats on the result of the AfD. The article is interesting and looks terrific, and I also want to thank you for what I think is a valuable contribution to WP.

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check and see if there are any independent publications out there that considered the tunnel notable enough to feature it. If, say, the editors of a number of British newspapers

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Hi Tina, these locks are written in France without an accent (see our own links). Please correct your article, so that we have an perfect link between my german article to UK.

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By the way, as to sources, are there any old books about the tunnel (or about the canal) to your knowledge? (I looked on Google books and didn't find anything substantial.)

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Hi Tina, could you tell me how to put together a map of the route of the NTM? It would be a temporary (or permanant) measure until I can get a line drawing together. Thanks,

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I have stated (the presumption) that they were designed for a standard-size boat: you may wish to elaborate on that. A picture of an appropriate boat would be very useful.

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I see what needs doing, but I cannot figure out how to put the icons in the right place. Please help! Once I am told, I can probably do it - It's just starting it off! -

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has been nominated for deletion. If you would like to have a say in the article's deletion discussion, just follow the instructions on the article's page. --

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as all of these can be described as types of boat lift. Not a small job, but would be consistent with drawing-together your other recent contributions.

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Thank you for your comments. I am not going to revert without concensus. It is clear that this will start an editing war. Life is too short for that.

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to Knowledge (XXG)! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Hi. I noticed this issue in passing recently and meant to mention it to you (can't remember where I saw it now, probably one of the help pages).

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sources are rarely even nominated for deletion, let alone deleted. Editors with pet subjects, from canal tunnels to traffic circles, in the main

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The article still need a lot of citations, but it looks better. I still don't think it should have its own article, but it could be merged with

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I make more minor edits than major edits and as a result I sometimes click the minor edit box and the Save Page box too rapidly for my own good.

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So have I. I happen to agree with you on some canal tunnel/tunnel articles, but not on all of them. Don't allow these two to discourage you.

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est juste au niveau de la phrase « Eight sluices make it possible to empty the aqueduct in the event of severe freezing. », c'est parfait.

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What to do with it? Well, if you think enough material can be found, it can stand alone. However, it would certainly fit in an enlarged

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is also a tub boat lift, but based on an inclined plane! (I haven't tried to incorporate this - sorry, forgot to look before I started!)

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D'accord, il est plus important que l'information exist dans Briare Aqueduct n'est ce pas et peut-etre dans Canal latéral à la Loire.

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your articles into existing, broader, articles, but that's a wholly different ball game to deletion, and doesn't involve AFD at all.

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The last two options would work though. I will leave this to your judgement. Good luck with the photo hunt. Yours Sincerely Tina

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The section on 'Operation' is crying out for a diagram. (and the comment referring to the first sentence needs to be addressed!)

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on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out

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No luck with finding the photos unfortunately - I can't believe I would have disposed of them so they must be somewhere!

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Incidentally, I have posted 3 of my own photos of Dowery Dell in that article - I see that you are seeking such photos.

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describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to

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You've done very well. That's a better article than most people's first new article. You've improved Knowledge (XXG).

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P.S. -- About Valento, I think he just forgot to start a new discussion when he wrote that message. Nevermind him :-)

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you can't there is no central respositry of images. Creative commons is just a lisence. There is wikimedia commons:

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Drop me a note on my talk page if you want a specific new article proof-read, and I'll be glad to help if I can.

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The reason Knowledge (XXG) doesn't have "administrative sections" is because all of the information on it is for

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Can you please add citations and references to the article? This will help others make a judgment as to the

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add an extra link which tells the reader that this article was translated and where it was translated from.

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as minor. This is a gross violation of the trust which ought to opperate within the wikipedia community.

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Don't worry Tina - someone translated the German Article into English - I read it and i've now fixed it! -

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So here is my question: is there an english translation of Egerton's book? If so, where can I find it?

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has been "kept" by consensus of the Wikipedian community; good job expanding it and not giving up! --

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Which has a large number of images under a number of "free" lisences such as GFDL and creative commons.

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incerdentaly {{cc-by-sa-2.5|Tina Cordon}} will produce add Attribution: Tina Cordon to the template.

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can be expanded to become a parent article, and a companion to the locks article. For a start, the

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I am from Germany and I wrote a few articles about boat lifts, water slopes, inclined planes etc.

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Any chance you could also release your images under the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike (

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know if you have difficulty finding it. I have added a line refering to this description on the

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Thanks Tina - As you can see, I have merged in your section, and it does look better! Thanks,

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on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!

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section on 'Alternatives' could be severely summarised so that its content may be moved to

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There may be some kind of WP guideline about this, but if you add a link as you did for

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Hello Tina. I'd like you to know that I appreciate your continued work on the article

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shouldn't feel abused. Merge or no merge, you've made a valuable contribution to WP.

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No problems mate. Sorry this appeared twice - I misformatted the link first time.

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The Erewash Canal pic was the reason I asked you about Creative commons lisenceing.

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I have one more question for you Tina: How can I add colour to the cells? Thanks,

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that); there's a way you can keep this from happening in the future. Whenever

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create articles nowadays, I build the whole thing up first in my own personal

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it does get merged (big if), and there's a section titled Butterley Tunnel in

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Maintenant l'information technologique est dans l'article 'Briare aqueduct'.

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in the end. The main part of the delay was because I felt I ought to give

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De Rien. De temps en temps j'ai le même probleme avec mon pouvre Français.

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Oui, I think the technical details about the Briare Aqueduct should be in

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Looks great, Tina. As it stands I think this would be a good addition to

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way in which this can be done please let me know. Yours Sincerely Tina,

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Egerton, Francis Henry (1812). Description du plan incliné souterrain

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject UK Waterways#Pennine Waterways Links

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As promised, you'll see I have 'had a go at it'! Fascinating find.

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Please post your reply here and leave a message on my talk page.

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Hi, I see you've recently added information to the article about

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What does you addition Hr gav mean on the Richard Arkwright page?

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Other than that relivant wikipedia articles will often have pics.

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One other minor point - I was considering renaming the article

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thanks a lot! I do hope that there is an English translation.

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There is currently no article/redirect for the term 'tub boat'

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Hi Tina, Just thought you might want to know - my website is

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Just a quick note to let you know I've commented on this on

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Tell me, how does the edit you made fit that description?

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http://www.archive.org/details/repertorypatent06unkngoog

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