714:(including sections on recording, touring, television--both singing and non-singing appearances--and maybe a section on "pop culture"??), IV. Philosophy, V. Activist career. Ripagate could go with TV personality, WRAL with BAF. The bogus lawsuit isn't that notable, but it would be good to keep the response for the larger picture--not sure where or how, but that's what made me think of a "pop culture" section as one possibility. I think the chronological approach isn't working as well as it did when everything was new. These are just some thoughts--not attached to anything. Your ideas?? I'm really impressed with all you've done--the discography, charts and more! -
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i'll have a look at the clay article.. his fans are as nuts as Kelly's. it jsut gets fustrating fixing these things, espcailly when I try not to cite kckellyville as a referance as to not look biased (but i've had to here and there for video referacnes as youtube, fan forums, and social networks look
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totally forgot about the wayback machine, great idea. The referances will be done littl eby little, it really is a mess there. i've been busy rollbacking stuff on the all i ever wanted article and discography, people don't know how to tag future singles or add the info correctly, and it's not even a
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Hey! About your note on my user page--no worries. Isn't going to happen. This is supposed to be a procedure undertaken only if the closer miscounted, misread, whatever. None of that happened. You can see the responses already. Overwhelmingly in support of the closing/deletion. It's over. The
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I think that most appropriate thing to do is to make a "All Is Well" or "All is Well" a main disambiguation page, with the other directing to the dab page. Then you can list the songs/albums. Albums obviously by artist; songs probably by first who released, or by year, or by lyrics/music creator.
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I actually edited that sentence you removed to make it sound better. I only posted the message above in case you thought that I added the sentence. Sorry to confuse you, and I hope this clears things up. I agree that the statement you removed needed a source. I should have put an "unsourced tag" on
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You've repeatedly made statements along the lines of: "The questions asked of this person were asked based on tabloid stories and gossip." Is there any evidence of this? Also, you said that, "I've seen many press articles on Aiken where the text has been taken directly from this article." Can you
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Bold move to create a new discography article. I think it would be fine in the Clay Aiken article if there was analysis of albums, etc. The
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I dont mind if you standardize anything, you know how to edit unlike most, and you keep it factual. I think if I see one more statement referanced to a blog or youtube account with leaked media, I'm gonna hurl chunks. (not to mention the 'Kelly said at the concert' statements")
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It seems that "All Is Well" - the title of Clay Aiken's EP, as well as a song on the EP - is also the song title of a number of different songs. (I note that I can find "Is" and "is" in a number of locations, so capitalization doesn't seem to be a good distinctions).
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I was just noting how quiet the once-contentious Aiken article has been. That's inevitable, all things considered. But I hope you'll stick around and continue to contribute to other topics. You're a good editor and your experience would benefit many topics.
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Hi. I'd like to invite you over to the Elvis article to help us out with the final procedures and edits to make the article 'featured' ready. If you know anyone else that has editing skills or who would like to help out pass the word or let us know. Thanks.
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What's the problem? The discussion was in relation to the topic. I'd already asked you the questions once on the article talk page. I said that the information was to improve the discussion. If you're ashamed or embarassed by your reonse I'll delete it.
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Sorry for the rather belated reply, but I'm kind of busy in real life...anyway, concerning your query: there is not enough vandalism to warrant semi-protection; just revert any vandalism you encounter. You might also want to read
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I certainly didn't intend to anger you and I apologize for doing so. However moving article-related discussions to article talk pages isn't unusual. Anyway, it's best not to get too emotionally involved in this stuff.
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the awards show. I moved it there, added some text, and removed the tag from the image. However, as the image use policy has become more stringent, the image should have an updated fair use rationale (see
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Would one of the following images work? I certainly understand the reasons you give in your response but believe there are better options for his page than the photo that is currently up there.
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Thanks Maria. I wonder whether or not Mr. Aiken's publicity folks would be willing to release some publicity shots from various performances? Thanks for your diligent review. Take care. —
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That's okay. I just wanted you to know that I didn't add it, just in case you thought I did. Since you didn't think that, and we have sorted the discussion out, then everything is fine.
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am ready to do this. I will file on Monday, so I will have to time to notify everyone. Thanks for the input. I'll post a link to the Arbcom case on Monday, too.
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