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Nationality was formed after French revolution, and German philosophers, notably, Fichte works (one of German university dwellers, that did look after a way to identify himself as German rather than francophonic German nobility). And, it does not apply to the previous ages, when Polish (Crown) and Lithuanian (Duchy) selfidentification - political, including foreign policy, actions were rather different, and were based not on language.
271:) is nothing else but Polish name for upper class (nobility) and religion not necessary had something to do with it (depends when), i`v got no doubts that by this mean Ostrogski, Radvila (most were protestant btw) or any other Lithuanian/Ruthenian influent family can be considered as a szlachta/nobility, especially if there was equality amongst nobles (well, in theory). I`m not askeing you, but reffering to examples and meaning of a "House" in this context as a synonym of
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Danylko, is it diminuitive form of Daniil? Another thing i wish to ask is what`s wikipedia policy about such things like names and how can i redirect various names to one correct (i hope) page. Unfortunatelly i`v got no "move" button, is it question of my accounts set-up? Regards.Mikołajski (talk) 18:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
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Latinised/Polonised name, anyway i`v got finally that "move" button and i`ll just redirect Elżbieta/Halszka to "Elizaveta" and similar with others. If it goes for "Detko", i found it in many sources, exactly Det`ko, similar with Feodor and Fed`ko. If i can i wish you to tell me if
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Princely/Knyaz familyies were "by blood" also royal, only Emperor could give the princely title (like in case of Radvila). Jagiellons were also "elected", so i`m not sure if we can consider it as a typical royal house, neither as some casual
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Russian Empire also made our both national identityies to develop, as well as literature. But look at persons like Mickiewicz, can you tell me which
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Article, which i just started yesterday, was deleated before i could even expand it. Maybe i should keep it in sandbox, at least there it would survive 12h. So please, undelete it and if it`s possible paste in
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meaning in comparation to rest of feudal-elitar Europe, i mean that there were differences, but rule was everywhere similar. So it doesn`t matter if we consider Ostrogski or other clans as a
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