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796:& I felt he/she have something against me. The only reason why I provide bare URLs instead of full proper reference is because there was something wrong with my laptop & I find it very difficult to do so on my mobile edit. I have been blocked twice previously for unsourced edit. I urge you to talk to Magnolia677 as soon as possible to avoid any further conflicts and misunderstanding. In case if I didn't reply you, it means I am blocked so you may wish to leave me a message on my talk page as it is the only page I can edit. Thank you very much my dear friend. 768: 2809: 1814: 1077: 715: 260: 2920: 1679: 1618: 1557: 2717: 2629: 2541: 2453: 2193: 1737: 1331: 821: 1153: 1210: 146: 70: 609:
Stadium" without needing to know that it's currently called "National CheeseBurger Arena" - the redirect will automatically take the reader to the current name. And when the name changes again, only the redirect needs to change. (Another similar use is for things that don't have ther own article - an editor can link to a specific aircraft model such as a
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again, as it surely will when the current sponsorship deal comes to an end, the piped name will itself become a redirect and the already trivial benefit of a direct link will be lost. This has already happened in many cases - for example ] simply pipes the name to another name which has since been superseded, and is now itself a redirect.
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don't say "redirected to". Sorry if I did any harm, I was trying to make sure people weren't messing with links. Also, there were edits you made that removed cities and countries' hyperlinks. For example, I noticed links like Washington, D.C. And United States were removed. Was there a reason to remove those? Again, sorry if I did harm.
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When I get the chance, I'll update my concert pages to use the new table format. Before, I was planning to expand D.R.E.A.M. The Tour, but I just don't have the time to do all of that now. However, I will eventually expand the article. I'm sorry for accusing you for owning the article, but I was just trying to follow the rules.
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I'm not trying to "own" the article. I just created the article to follow similar articles I created. Also, if the rules are there, shouldn't all tour pages be discussing this matter rather than discussing just this one? I'm trying to make sense of this because the discussion should be brought to all
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I'm sorry if I did harm, but there are some things to understand about clicking an old name. One of my pet peeves when I click an old name, most say "redirected to". What I'm simply doing is not make the article say "redirected to". I've been editing tour pages for a while, and always made sure links
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I use the Wayback Machine's archived url's as trusted citations for in the future, because artist's websites tend to change from time to time. It doesn't matter whether the North American tour is over or not. The article requires those archived sources to prove that those dates were posted on Demi's
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Here is the reason Latin America is used rather than South America. Leg 6 has both North and South America countries in this leg. Latin America was easier to say because earlier when this edit was made way back earlier, it looked messy when it had an additional row to say 'North America - Leg 6,' so
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The rule for concert tables was added in October 2019. Because the new rule hasn't really been noticed, several articles still use the outdated format for concert tables, including the ones I've made and this one. Since there are hundreds and hundreds of tour articles on WP that need to be updated.
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Please explain your reversions. You stated "we use names that were used at the time". I didn't change that at all. Every visible link to a venue remained the same after my changes, and the ultimate destination for each link remained the same - I simply removed superfluous piping so that the visible
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I'm trying to keep consistency for all tour pages. I've edited many tour pages in the past that did not require to create separate tables for separate legs. Keeping it all in one table keeps it organized all in one place. I do understand that making separate sections make for easier editing, but I
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You're welcome. If Fan4Life keeps making these edits, I may have to go on this account's talk page and explain that tour pages put a date on the end date regardless if it ended or not. Usually, I never have to go on someone's talk page, but I might have to if it keeps up.
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website at the time as they aren't visible anymore. Same goes for song articles in which you provide sources for which date they impacted radio, you'll have to archive it as well, otherwise you lose the source. So, please do not remove the archived url's I added, thanks.
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I just don't get it. He/She is completely ignoring MoS. It's made the history unstable, it's created an edit war, deliberate provocations, citing unsourced info for this 'we know it's not the end' nonsense, ownership and fancruft. Unbelievable.
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Hi. Not sure why you reverted my edit. All the other numbers on the table are not sourced, and it's also because the numbers are provided in the tour article, so I just transferred the numbers from the tour article to the venue article.
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name would redirect to the current name. If you meant "we pipe to names that were used at the time someone added that informaton to the article", why do you do that? What's the point? Here's an explanation of my changes:
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to see why I turned the article into a redirect and removed the link in the navigation template. In this case, sources that merely establish that a tour will happened are not sufficient to demonstrate notability.
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Please stop adding promotional text about upcoming concert performances that are months or years away. Please wait until after they have occurred, then add them to the venue article with a source. Thank you.
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I know you wan't to keep consistency, but those are the rules for tables on WP. Your behavior makes me believe that you feel that you "own" the article, which is a violation of WP's rules (see
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I am so sorry because I undo your edits. Please edit The Red Tour again because IP vandalize the page. I undo the page 2 times so maybe I can be banned by the 3RR if I do the third time :(
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I suggest you add a "reception" section to all the tour articles you create, there are lots of critical reviews from reliable sources for these tours.
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not notable per NTOUR: it’s basically just a list, without coverage of the tour as a whole—and I do not see such coverage online either.
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