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I would agree with moving 'Cantonese' to either 'Canton dialect' or 'Guangzhou dialect'. However, this is something we need to discuss. Also, don't move pages by cutting and pasting. It destroys the article history. I've reverted all of your edits. If and when we agree to your proposal, one of us who
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and long-established consensus is that neither "language" nor "dialect" should be used for the primary branches of
Chinese. ("Guangzhou dialect" is not a problem, as it clearly is a dialect.) As for "Yue", that is the normal term used in English when one wishes to dab the language from the dialect.
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Chinese" is imprudent. Not only me who do not agree page-move from "Cantonese (linguistic)" to "Yue Chinese". "Yue Chinese" is really really a very terrible name. I've asked to move it back to "Cantonese (linguistic)" or "Cantonese (language topic)".
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NZ, assume good faith. I am trying to make the topic unambiguous. You don't appear to be familiar with how "Cantonese" used in
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I invited the two other users who commented on the move. I support two of your proposals. However, "Cantonese language" is not an acceptable title. There are many
Chinese who object that the language is Chinese, and that Yue, Wu, Mandarin, etc. are dialects. This has been debated
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Chinese language articles, please bring them up for discussion. Calling the major branches of Chinese either 'languages' or 'dialects' is contentious, and there have been long discussions of this in the past. You might want to also read
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Knock it off, NZ. You're edit warring and being disruptive. What, you can't get agreement on the talk page to move the article, so you decide to subvert the process by making the changes anyway? The title of the article is
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romanization scheme which is homonymous with 粵/Cantonese in English transcription. (You deleted this item on the disambiguation page of Cantonese, evidence:
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