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redundant). I wouldn't object to an occasional omission of the "No.", if only for elegant variation, but he has been going right through the article wiping every instance and claiming that "Knowledge (XXG) is not a source" (which is true enough, but nothing to do with the case). The gentleman concerned has been making dozens of other (mostly very pettifogging) changes to the article - a few have been genuine improvements, and most at least acceptable alternatives but some of have made clear text obscure, even meaningless. I have let everything he has done that is at all acceptable stand, but the really bad ones I've had to change - usually with a new version rather than a provocative revert.

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properly formatted, I see the error of my ways! I assumed that all WWW & Knowledge (XXG) users saw the Fw 189 WIKI article in the same hideous way it appears on Kindle - with a 75%/25% split between a blank area on the left side of the page and the thumbnail images on the right side of the page, then, after the images, the text is correctly formatted. If I had known that 99.9% (or more) of the world sees the page correctly formatted, I would not have entered the <br: -->

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from you on the article page in question, but I was messaging Nigel Ish regarding what are obviously highly suspect and non-neutral edits from two obviously fake and connected accounts. His response was to yours on the talk page. Therefore you are involved in the situation, even if some other third person edited your comments. I was not an editor on this page, but Nigel Ish called my attention to a problem with a report on the MilHist page, otherwise I wouldn't even be here.

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nothing to contradict it and I think he is right but the existing page on Pennant numbers is a bit of a mess following an IP editor doing a search and replace on the RN section changing pennant to pendant in 2012. Specifically it needs a date for if and when pendant numbers were introduced and a date for when they started to be referred to as pennant numbers. Can you help?

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I have discovered something that I should have verified before I started making changes. I apologize for neglecting to do before. When I originally viewed the WIKI page on the Focke-Wulf Fw 189, I did so from my Kindle reader (mistake #1); I also performed the changes to the WIKI Fw 189 page based on

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As you continue to misrepresent what sources say after it has been pointed out, there is no point in continuing any discussion. I have unwatched the article in question as I find dealing with editors who indentionally distort what sources say a waste of time. Please do not post on my talk page again

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Thanks for taking a look at the edits made by citation bot initiated by me, I try to look for bad edits and revert them however some inevitability slip by so an extra pair of eyes for sure helps. I have filled bug reports for a couple of the bad edits so they should not happen anymore in the future.

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on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit

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Jet engines have a shaft drive to a gearbox full of gears which power generators, alternators, fuel pumps, oil pumps, and hydraulic pumps all of which rotate at different speeds, hence a box full of gears. The hydraulic pump in this case is probably constant speed so the pressure is the same all the

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You have removed my edit adding a description of the Malibu cabin heating system which is described by a diagram in the Pilots Manual. I put this in the Investigation section because it seemed relevant to the recent finding of CO poisoning. If you prefer it elsewhere, I could put it in the Aircraft

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I'm not going to get into an argument with you. If you had read my comment above, you would have noticed that I wrote that "I'm not saying there is a direct connection" between the account you are using now and two obviously sock-puppet accounts. I've checked the history, there are no visible edits

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I was wondering, if you have a moment, if you'd like to have a little look at the Fokker Scourge talk page (go straight to the bottom if you like) and tell me, either here, on my talk page, or even on the talk page of the article if you want to actually buy into the discussion, if I'm being totally

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The act of dividing it effectively makes the section unreferenced - virtually none of the "retired" entries have any reliable sourcing about retirement, while almost all of the "still in service" entries cites are several years old - so are not valid for saying that the type is in service in 2019.

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are all measurements of power, just measured (or calculated) in different ways - and all have the SI unit of kW - technically 600 shp is shorthand for shaft power of 600 hp - etc - but there isn't an equivalent shorthand for SI units. I don't think there is an easy, automatic, way for templates or

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I noticed that you have English's book on Hunt-class destroyers, and I would like to expand that article, which I created years ago as a stub. Since English isn't easy to get access to on this side of the Atlantic, would it be possible for you to send scans of the entry for Cattistock in English's

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neutrally reported a declaration of the Turkish Cypriot Foreign Minister Kudret Ozersay, which seems to be authoritative and to have an encyclopedic relevance. They also stated that, in tha case that this is true, it would be the first incident involving Cyprus during the Israeli-Syrian conflict.

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Thanks for reviewing the bot edits! It's greatly appreciated. I've fixed all the issues encountered and they shouldn't happen again, but I have one thing I'm wonderingabout and that is hp and shp. Are they the same thing? They both have the same value but it seems like it's measured at different

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I read the changes, which is why I reverted them - as discussed in the talk page, they were confused, are sourced to an unknown reference with no bibliographic details, and sourced to a whole chapter of this unknown book so they cannot be verified. The information added appears to be design shop

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What I had intended to correct was the hideous way that the Fw 189 WIKI article appears on my Kindle. Now that I have viewed the Fw 189 WIKI article on one computer, running Windows & Internet Explorer, and another computer, an iPad running Safari, both of which show the Fw 189 WIKI article

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I had not noticed that the phantom article has a hidden list of individual aircraft, I have removed it as it not normal practice to list individual aircraft or blocks of serials numbers. Individual aircraft can be listed if they are noteworthy but this is really rare and I cant think of any RAF

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Thanks for your research on Pentstemon. As you know your way around the RN archives I am wondering if you can locate anything about Pendant/Pennant numbers? There is a comment on my talk page following my change on S-class destroyers (1917). I have accepted the other editors point as I can find

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article. In fact, things have reached a pass where some second opinions might be useful. The specific question he is hammering at the moment is that we shouldn't ever say "No. 1 Squadron RAF" (in spite of that being the usual way of putting it) but "1 Squadron" (on the grounds that the "No." is

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you wrote about, and you included the sentence "On 4 September T196 along with the pre-dreadnought battleship Schleswig-Holstein and the old minesweeper Von der Gronen (formerly M107), bombarded Westerplatte". Could you double check that source? Polish Knowledge (XXG) article about the battle

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Why did you revert the change I made re the hydraulic system? "brakes and undercarriage; powered by a 4,000 psi engine-driven gearbox" This is not understandable, an engine driven gearbox powers a hydraulic pump which powers the stated items. There is no such thing as a 4000 psi engine driven

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describes the other ship as a torpedo boat T-963, but frankly I cannot find any source to verify either of those ships (particularly T-963; can't even verify such a ship existed). Trying to confirm M107's presence at Westerplatte pretty much seems to go back to our article, too (and

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You are making changes and adding tags to the Tornado article without having read the changes. This is completely clear because YOU TAGGED A REFERENCE WITH A TAG REQUESTING A REFERENCE. You clearly did not even read the changes if you did not see that it was already referenced.

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about a phrase that seems to have come from you a long time ago. They refer to the phrase "after a crash in testing", at the end of the last para. As they say, there's no mention of this event in the sources cited. If you did introduce the phrase, could you add a ref please?

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I've reworked the description and added a lede for this article. I would like to nominate it for GA with you as a co-nominator since you wrote the bulk of the service history, if you're agreeable. Feel free to make any changes that you feel are necessary before I nominate

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as the website is a private website with no editorial control, and everything on it should be found in actual reliable websites. Clearly you disagree. I will unwatch all the RAF squadron pages on my watchlist as it is clear that you object to my requesting better

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I took a cursory look at the webpage in question and wonder what is the connection with Jefford, who is an acknowledged authority on RAF squadrons and their histories? Unless he's exercising some sort of editorial control, the site doesn't qualify as

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Hi! I guess we have a problem. All the Turkish sources ı refer say this was a Turkish-built submarine. And those sources are also reliable. What you mean may be TCG Atılay (S-347), which went into service later. Please refrain from reverting. Thanks.

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You might find trials info for Raleigh in the Proceedings of the US Navy Institute, some of roughly that age are on the Internet Archive - they did reprint trials data (including from The Engineer, so if you are willing to dig a bit, you may be in

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unreasonable and should just give up. This is (for a WWI aviation article) quite a high traffic one - and I'd like to leave it in reasonable shape. At least readable, and plain in meaning (two things I value far above brevity for its own sake). --

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I have nonetheless run into a bit of conflict with someone with interests from "a later war" who disputes this - perhaps on the authority of works documenting more modern "oleo struts". I wonder if you could apply an impartial eye on this one?

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which apparently appeared in the 24 September 1920 issue. I'd like to be able to properly fill out the ref, but am unwilling to pay for the priviledge. I'd appreciate it if you could send me the pdf file of this issue if you can. Thanks in

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points? If they're measured at different points why don't we have the same distinction for kW. The template currently struggles a bit with this distinction, which I will fix, but it would be useful knowing what the actual difference is. --

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used Knowledge (XXG) in order to do any political activity. I am an Italian autoconfirmed user (with e-mail and mobile phone number), with a unique active account on WP, everyday connecting from La Spezia, Liguria. Concerning the topic on

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What is needed is for someone to look at the source and see what it actually says. Sadly it is a dead link. It may be on the Internet Archive somewhere, but I get a TLS error when I try to access it. Perhaps you may be able to see what it

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from a single-sentence stub (in which pretty much all of the other content had to be removed and revdeleted as a copyvio) to what it currently is. I know others have been involved, but you have done the yeoman's work; so, job well done.

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Thanks for adding the information from Beevor's book to the article. But there's a problem with the ISBN and I can't find the edition that you've used on Worldcat. Can you check again and make sure that the bibliographic info is

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The website uses the words "Thanks to Wg Cdr C G Jefford, for the latest amendments to this squadron history - 24 July 2004". But I respect your view and have removed all the references that I had inserted. Best wishes.

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article. I am currently attempting to get the article to GA to match other Soviet aircraft articles. Would it be possible for you to email me scans of the article as I don't have access to Air International back issues?

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Conways and Jane's are definitely taking about this submarine, and are specialist reliable sources on naval subjects - the Type 209 submarine was built 1972–1976 in a different German shipyard (i.e. Howaldswerke).

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Hello, I understand why you removed the list of RAF Tornados as it is very long (and perhaps too much for the main article) but I'm wondering if there is a suitable place for it. There's a comparable list of the

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used to make the changes to the S-200 (missile) article regarding the incident in Cyprus seem to have the same political agenda as User:Micheledisaveriosp, and are both clearly fake sock puppet accounts.

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I am only adding neutral information from known sources about the loss of a MiG-21 Bison on a MiG-21 site. Please stop your disruption by adding unrelated information that has yet to be verified

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has no online previews, and no copy near me). PS. I wonder your source would include a date, according to the article, those torpedo boats only aided the attack on a single day, Sept 4th? PPS.

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was a little odd. All the other ships of the Royal Navy are in metric (imperial) except this one. Further, as it is now, the length and beam are in imperial and the draught is in metric.

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time. There is no such thing as a 4000 psi engine driven gearbox. I know this because I flew jet aircraft for 45 years. Some of us also use SI and want the pressure in Pascals.

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That's part of the reason why I posted on the WP:MILHIST talk page, to get more people looking at the article - making it less likely that these sort of edits sneak through.

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Before moving accuses, you have probably to read the article's chronology with care and then to try to be more honest and collaborative with other editors. Have a good day.

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Good idea, I also need to clear up the whole coal/mixed/oil-firing boiler in which Friedman and Raven & Roberts contradict each other, and sometimes even themselves!--

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i don't understand why you removed my addition the the civillian operator section. i added a link in there to prove that it was true. you want to see the link again:

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I'd suggest citing whatever information you wanted to add directly to Jefford's books. You have to be very cautious with adding material from websites.--

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Also, the NDTV source and India Today source explicitly report the Pakistani claim. Your edit summary had the effect of misrepresenting the sources.

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The information I added was from exactly the same source (the BBC) as the information you kept, and you added no information, only deleted it.

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and the minesweeper took part in the bombardment on 4 September - and only mentions them taking part in bombardments on that date -

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The oleo strut of the F.E.2's undercarriage is of course well known - and well referenced. Just two sources that come to mind are:

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HTML tags. By entering the "break" tags, the Fw 189 WIKI article appears correctly formatted on Kindle. Again, I apologize.

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to suggest that the CO poisoning is related to the heating system - leave it to the AAIB to give the cause of the accident.

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Well that was the ISBN-13 that was listed on the flyleaf of the book! I've changed it to the ISBN-10, which seems to work.

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I'm hoping that you might have access to this magazine through Grace's Guide as I'd like to add the trials data for

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I removed your addition because it appeared to be a blatant (if poorly written) advert for the aircraft for sale.

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is usually spelt thus, without the O, so that it is "brough" rather than "borough". Hope this helps, best wishes

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Never mind, the sources that you removed should indeed have been removed. Sorry for misunderstanding your edit.

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has been reviewed and updated by Wing Commander Jeff Jeffard who has written extensively on RAF matters. See

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Isn't India refuting Pakistan's claim enough? IAF denied yesterday officially. So We have both sides POV.

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Hi - You seem to be insistent on reverting my edits to various articles. The section on 45 Squadron in

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Hi Nigel, I thought I'd just get in touch with you to alert you to the fact that the two accounts (

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Hello and thanks for all your work on ship articles. You might want to note that

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as a reference in the past, Grace's Guide wasn't pay to access when I used it.

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how it appears via Kindle’s apparently out-of-date WWW Browser (mistake #2).

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Hi Nigel Ish. I have to say it's been quite impressive how you have improved

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Not the first mis-printed ISBN I've seen. Thanks for fixing it so promptly.--

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What you said was "powered by an driven gearbox" which doesn't make sense.

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According to Manning & Walker, Henry Fitzroy is the namesake for HMS

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Talk:S-200 (missile)#Incidents involving the S-200 - Cyprus, 1 July 2019

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Talk:S-200 (missile)#Incidents involving the S-200 - Cyprus, 1 July 2019

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describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

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Yakovlev's Tactical Twins (Air International. Vol. 44 no. 5) pp 244-249

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carefully before commenting or acting further on my revert. — Cheers,

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and if you want to experiment with useless templates, please use the

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tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope

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adding or improving listed resources on Milhist's task force pages

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