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likely to care should understand from context what is meant. In my mind, the biggest problem with the IEC60027 notation is that it is confusing to new users, and most of PDFbot's references will be seen by those unfamiliar with the notation, and we should avoid throwing foreign notation at them for this reason. (I also personally find the notation cumbersome). I'm not sure what to suggest. This is still highly in flux over in MOS, but one answer is the compromise solution of listing both. While I still find it cumbersome, I do think it would be preferable to the current situation of only providing the IEC60027 prefix that is foreign to most readers. Thanks for your time.
707:. It seems there is quite a lot of dispute. My concern is that PDFbot has chosen a side in this debate, and is actively taking actions which promote that side at the expense of the other (of course, PDFbot does other--very useful--work!). For instance, in part due to PDFbot, the proponents of IEC 60027 prefixes can claim that number of Knowledge (XXG) pages using IEC60027 prefixes is increasing daily at some rate. But PDFbot's contributions to that do not represent editors deciding and accepting the new prefixes.
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Virtually no one in the computer industry or publishing industry uses the IEC60027 binary prefixes. A group of people on
Knowledge (XXG) are evangelizing this peculiar form of binary units. The original proposal on the Manual of Style was "The MoS should encourage the use of the IEC prefixes in all
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tags that use IEC60027 binary prefixes (KiB), etc.? It seems like they are highly disputed, and it would be best not to contribute to the dispute by doing so. I was also under the impression that, while there is no concensus, using both KB and KiB seemed to have a lot more support than simply using
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You list two options above, but of course, you omit the return to ambiguity, and I think that's an important one. For the vast majority of uses (especially in the context of PDFbot!), the distinction of 8% is not material -- it does not significantly affect download estimates; also, anyone who is
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Not at all! The bot can simply ignore the units specified on the current page when deciding if the page needs an update, and only use a compromise (or whatever) change going forward. I fear it will be some time before MoS gets any more settled than the current "there is a lot of dispute" state.
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KB is absolutely not ambiguous. First K is not a decimal prefix, second files size are never reported in decimal unit, not on Unix, not on OS X, not on
Windows, not on z/OS, hence the 'other' option would have been indeed to present what the OS would be telling them : xxx KB --
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The problem comes from a change to how the PDFlink CSS class works, it now gives all links the icon instead of just the external link. It is only apparent when the size of the links is correctly formatted using Binary units with links to their respective article (per
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In any case, if I change inserted style it would mean roughly 2,000 pages would have to be re-saved. I'm not going to do this until the debate is settled at MoS, but if they want to use the "what links here" count then they should only look at the redirect pages
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I have already tried to translate the
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Thus far nobody besides myself has pushed for a |size= parameter in web cite. And I'm not going to start work until the binary vs. SI prefixes dispute is resolved. Other than those two thing I'd like to work this feature.
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I added the PDFlink template to the german wikipedia and noticed that the bot added the size to an templated link. Can I refer to this in my german documentation, as I do not know if this feature is intended.
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Thus far the only problems have been editors copying the syntax elsewhere from the page and not filling in the byte size in comment correctly but updating the documentation has seemly stop that. —
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These comments are just a little over the top but I think
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Unintended instance that was start by cron before the fix got in (see #4). Fixed cron entry so it only run on the first of the month, instead of trying the first
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KiB. If I missed a previous discussion about this in the context of PDFbot, please accept my apologies (in any event, please accept my apologies for bringing up this issue at all).
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It more people don't start using the IEC binary prefixes, Knowledge (XXG) with have editors ringing door bells to tell the world about the benefits of kibibytes and mebibytes.
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I recall reading on a PDFbot related talk page that it is good to expose more readers to the IEC prefixes. If they see a file is 150 KiB they can click on KiB and learn the
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Sorry, that was wrong. Myself copied and pasted the size from an english wikipedia article. But now I am waiting if the bot will visit my PDFlink template in the artikle
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about binary units. The IEC prefixes are unambiguous and more accurate. Most reader just what to know if the PFD file is 100 kilobytes or 4 megabytes.
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I also run a bot that attempts to convert the old format to the new format, while adding file size information. The bot runs four times a week on
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Hi, could you kindly explain the mysteries of
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Where and why was it determined that the pdf link is problematic? It's never caused a problem on the pages that I've seen.
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I haven't written PDFbot to handle other languages yet; however, in the next few days I will look into running it on
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