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you thought this was more to the point, however I feel it is now too brief. It's not a problem - I expect the thing to change about 150 times before we're all happy with it, and as it is supposed to summarise the article, perhaps we have to get the article right before we can work seriously on the lead para. I don't know. I think the

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As a general guideline, the lead should be no longer than four paragraphs." Considering the length of the Madonna article, the LEAD actually should be four paragraphs. As for the LEAD's content, while I agree its far from perfect, there is a difference between fancruft and giving equal representation

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I am the number 1 Madonna fan Patrick. Im 13 and eat,sleep,talk and walk Madonna. I have most of her cds and wanted to come to her concert but she wasnt comming to Ohio. I looked up info about madonna and she is quiet the star. I wish i was alive in the 80's to live the whole Madonna Era. I even got

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is getting a lot of attention too (and some contraversy - how appropriate). Just a comment about the lead para. I don't have a problem with your edits, honestly, but I thought I would point out that the lead para should be a summary of the article that follows. You said in your edit summary that

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On 25 April 2006 madonna.com announced the new single, the message in their news starting with the line: "Us, at Madonna.com, are happy to confirm...". The next day /madonnamyspace posted almost the same message starting with: "Us, at Madonna.com and Madonna-Myspace, are happy to confirm..." - this

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Hi Patrick, I'm sure this is going to be easy to fix. As per the "no source" box, it simply says that the source needs to be provided. This is, if you downloaded this from another website you need to state so in the image description page and provide a link to the site. If you can also identify

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As I said above: madonna.com promoted /madonnamyspace by linking to it. And as far as I know it was the only place to hear "Madonna confessing". I'm assuming these 3 audio files are from official sources (otherwise madonna.com wouldn't have promoted them). Why would these official sources put the

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article so that her two marriages, plus one "living together" relationship were fitted into the overall discussion of her life and the whole thing is basically chronological. That was because in that case, I thought the marriages were a thread that ran through her career, rather than a seperate

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My ideas on why there are 2 sites: /madonna is part of "myspace music" - see the horizontal "music bar" on top of the page. It's meant for the musical project "Madonna". Whereas /madonnamyspace has been established to be a more "personal profile", therefore the slightly gossipy blogs and why it

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Hey Blondie... Patrick..... don't worry, it had me stumped at first too. Click on "history". Select the version you want by clicking on the date/time link. It will open the page at the version for that time and date. Click "edit this page" and it comes up with the normal edit window with a

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At least the book - ghostwritten or not - at least was put together with Harlow's approval, unlike Hedy Lamarr's "autobiography" Ecstasy and Me which she denied having anything to do with. I have a paperback copy of that one, too. I also managed to stumble across a copy of Errol Flynn's novel

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I agree that it will do, but if you ever happen upon further information about the image you could add it. You are obviously a fan, and obviously you look at other material about her so there's a good chance you might one day see something about it, in which case you could update the image

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Okay, sorry if I sounded rude and blunt or whatever, but you know, communication through the internet = no tone, emotion, can be taken the wrong way etc. The article seems alright now. But it needs some more references. But I still think the contributers should be mentioned in some way.

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Hi Patrick, sorry for the slow reply - I've been distracted by real life the last couple of days. I agree the Madonna pic is not the best, but as a free image it will have to do until a better free one comes along. I see that someone has replaced it and I think that was inevitable.

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I have no concept of Madonna! All this time I was thinking that I knew about Madonna....that I had the concept....the concept....the concept..... and I was wrong...... I was so stupid......it's the albums....just the albums......that's all Madonna is.... a great big jukebox.... with

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articles have good lead paragraphs because they give a bit of the history of the artist. ie rather than just saying where those ladies are, it explains briefly how they got there. I think moulding the Madonna section along similar lines would be a good idea.

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Take my advise, don't chop the lead of a GA article in half, without discussion, ever again. Take whatever issues you have with leads to the article talk page. I warn you now, don't make arguments about "length", it won't get you far. —

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article, which I think is in need of attention at the moment. I'm sure you've heard of her - she was in a couple of films with Jean :-) I hope to get to that one day (but today is not the day, sadly. Neither is tomorrow...... )

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You simply deleted the information again! Like I said, Knowledge (XXG) is NOT about making pages look pretty. You simply deleted facts that were referenced. I agree, it needs cleaning up, but deleting is not the way to go.

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Hey Patrick. I don't think there is a hard-and-fast rule about how the biographies are set out. I think it's great that you are fixing the Harlow article by the way - nothing but applause from me on that score. The way

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Her most notable albums and songs can be disputed, thus it's not Knowledge (XXG)'s place to select some songs/albums over others. Thanks for explaining your position, and I encourage you to argue your point further at

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It's because this tour hasn't still even started, so there are no notable sources covering it, and I think that you didn't even add any source that verifies the tour. You should make a draft on your userpace, like

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and all three are probably run by the same people judging from the content and blog entries. www.madonna.com linked to www.myspace.com/madonnamyspace in their news on "8 november 2005" (see their news archive).

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who owns the copyright, all the better, but the main thing is showing where it came from so that others can determine whether the use is fair or not. If you're not sure what to do let me know. Thanks

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Thanks. I try to fill in the blanks when I find I have novels that don't have articles, and Harlow's book is a rather cool addition to my library. I found it at a rummage sale of all places.

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Hey there, harlow fan? Good to know you reverted all that crap about allegedly she was involved romantically with this and that guy... what other old time movie stars r u expert on'?: -->

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Well, that sounds like a good plan. I'll help where I can - actually I'd like to see a lot of the articles for the classic stars improved. I hope one day to make a FA out of the

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1287:/just click on the link and start typing) and work on it, and ask other editors on the Madonna page to help you improve it. You can start the article and then ask people on 581:^_^ You know what? You're probably the only person that has been nice enough to actually leave a message like that :) You totally deserver a barnstar for that!!! :):D -- 29:, it may be deleted some time in the next seven days. If you have uploaded other images, please verify that you have provided copyright information for them as well. 787:, it may be deleted some time in the next seven days. If you have uploaded other images, please verify that you have provided copyright information for them as well. 546:-Vouge -Erotic? -True Blue -Borderline -Hung Up, their are so many more songs to add to the list. Madonna will go down in histroy as the best female singer ever! 1599:

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Just because the page "looks bad" is not a basis to remove information. You can clean things up, but just removing the whole lot doesn't improve the article.

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so I will keep my eyes open for them. DVD's usually get released in Australia around the same time as the U.S. but if not, there's always Amazon ;-) Thanks !

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thing. Harlow is different - her marriages and her career were fairly seperate. With Harlow, there is also quite a bit of detail that can be given about

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After reading your comments on her disccusion page, if you feel the article needs improving - which I agree with! - then you can vote for it on the

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to help you write the draft. You need at least one reliable website that has information on the tour so you can start writing the article up. --

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i think i recognize your username from somewhere...but i don't know where, if you can refresh my memory, it would be greatly appreciated :D

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Why did you delete the History section? And please leave an edit summary after editing, at all times. It makes life easier for everyone

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Thanks. I've added the link to the image description page and removed the "no source" tag. The image is very unusual - I like it.

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suggests to me (as I mentioned above) that both pages are run by the same people (unless /madonnamyspace is making false claims).

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Incidentally, do you have a source for the information that the book was ghostwritten? This should be noted in the article.

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no problem. if you could find who owns the copyright and record that also it would be great. very nice image, I must say!

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Patrick, this is a small thing for having its own article. Consider on the future placing these sort of stuff on

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is set out, isn't bad. It depends on how much you want to say about the marriages. For example I did the

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Yeah, I figured it was probably an accident. As for the vandals, I put in a request for semi-protection.

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relationship to be discussed. Don't know how you feel about that, but they were engaged weren't they?

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linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Can you please check:

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I originally added the infobox with the "notable songs" and "albums", but they were later

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Of course the easiest way to find out for sure should be to contact madonna.com and ask.

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So do you know when the Canadian CD single release date is?

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