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from my own, my friends experiences, and there friends' experiences the de facto situation. I do not think that any literature exists on the topic. Thus, personal experience is as good as it can get in this case. I'm not trying to push through my edits or anything and i will not add that information unless a consensus is reached. I just feel, that in this particular case the lack of a strong reference is not important enough to ignore information that can slightly enrich wikipedia. For example, i have not seen any references cited for the other countries under "de facto" or even under "drinking age". Of course, may be i just do not understand what defact means. if you could explain that to me.
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Perhaps you could summarize what the quote is saying and include it in a section regarding the history of Boston, but I'd stay away from actually including the quote unless you find an appropriate context for it. Peyna 01:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
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