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Catholic Church's persecution and some interesting points that show the prevalence of bestiality was so widespread in the 17th century that they tried to outlaw male herdsmen. It goes on to describe bestiality in Asia, the middle east and Indian religious matters, of which sex with sacred animals was a blessing. South America as well. Even Kinsey showed bestiality was a 1 in 13 amongst men and even in the Hunt study it was 1 in 20.
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