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with capitalization and points the editor back to the MOSBIO section on honorific titles. The capitalization rules are noted (although it's not really a matter of grammar), and were an oversight on my part. But, I might suggest that the way to avoid an edit war is to discuss the use of titles on
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in this context is not a title. In title form, it would be capitalized and in front of his name. Since general is after, it is considered a normal noun. If you were to put "four-star" in front of it, gramatically it is correct since we would be using "four-star" as an adjective modifying a noun.
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