User talk:Ravenswing - Knowledge (XXG)

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I think that's fine and is what I was hoping to achieve. In the meantime, though, the user in question has continued to evade direct questions about notability criteria and about the use of alternate accounts (the original post on ANI uses the plural and might imply the use of several accounts to edit in special areas). Given that, I'm no longer sure about my previous private position to just leave a community reminder. If you're up for further action, I'd be willing to consider it given leniency.

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was "sure, dump your work into the existing Hockey Mountain," but that would make a very long page indeed and be a bit much for anyone to curate. Seems like it's time for a Hockey Mountain Range, wouldn't you say? Bring your project live when you feel it's ready, and then post it next to mine at the various Project spots.

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multiple paragraphs on that)? Several sentences on farming practices in Ireland? "The Great Western Greenway, created during 2010 and 2011, follows the line's route and has proved to be very successful in attracting visitors to Achill and the surrounding areas." And so on and so forth. The article's full of such fluff.

1405:. But surely, the place we decide where someone is guilty of a crime is in court, and having been convicted it is perfectly reasonable to describe her as a murderer in Wikivoice? I might understand it more if there were massive and consistent doubts about her conviction, but there isn't any any such wider doubts. 1672:

Thanks for the approval! I've been creating this for the past month, but only today did I realize that I probably should have talked to the Hockey Mountaineer himself. I might not do to much with HM apart from this redesign (and the occasional Bruins player to GA). Also, I just realized that you have

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I'd hoped that, by giving it a few days, the situation would resolve itself. I don't want to drag people through TBANs if it's not necessary. The ANI thread in question has been quiet; in the meantime, most of the AfDs (7/11) have been closed, some discounting number in favor of quality of arguments.

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I think these catchall encyclopedias just do bulletpoint writeups about the size and indepth coverage of a Topps baseball card. I also think (as has been discussed elsewhere) that the likes of BeanieFan and Cbl62 are part of a cadre that are -- with a fair bit of success -- subverting the changes in

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I like the work you've done with this, and thank you for highlighting that there are team, history and award topics that need love too. (Also, thank you twice, because you've reminded me that I need to make updates from the end of this past season, and the new HHOF inductees.) My immediate thought

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The reference I cited was from August 31, 2024, not a year ago, and is a local source - MassLive, the Mass stands for Massachusetts. Here in your reply you correctly say it was Saturday morning, but in the article you are editing it to say September 1st - which was yesterday, Sunday, and incorrect.

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In the interest of transparency, it is true that I have a bit of a history with this individual on other platforms (I have elaborated on the talk page), but I will say that the edits I have made are designed to be productive and in the article’s best interest. I don’t expect my contributions not to

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I currently would not support a TBAN pending tangible results and replies to my inquiry on the Gupta AfD. I think that it's obvious that they're newer to AfD, and they definitely seem to have taken inquiries as bites. I do think that they are very constructive outside of deletion discussions, and I

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Take a peek at the Mission, Monastery, Railway, Valley House, Deserted Village and Other Places of Interest sections in particular. Alleged prophecies? A couple sentences on a NN pastor's wife who died over 150 years ago? A monk seemingly notable only for writing a bio of an alleged murderer (and

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on RfA when it comes to lynch mobs and pile-ons. There are many of us out there who've been on Knowledge (XXG) for decades, have many tens of thousands of edits, and seem to have enough respect to have strangers solicit their advice ... (grins) There are some admins I wouldn't trust to fold party

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Thing is, the real concerning thing is the falsification of the headline in the Garnett article. Nothing else would, on their own, garner more than a slap-on-the-wrist day or three block. But the bogus headline, paired with all the stonewalling, points to the unfortunate obvious: we cannot trust

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nerve claiming anything about my editing history; I was active on hockey topics on Knowledge (XXG) a dozen years before you registered, and have over ten times your edits. (Never mind that it's mindboggling that you're "encouraging" me to open a discussion on a talk page you have never frequented,

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I'm up for supporting it, but I shouldn't be the one to instigate it; aside from that it'd be seen as headhunting given the number of posts I've made on the subject, I recently proposed and got through a community and topic ban on another editor. If I don't want to be accused of being the Madame

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Not necessarily. At ANI, a lack of response means considerably more often than otherwise nothing more than that no one cared enough to respond. All those who participate regularly at ANI see a lot of drama, there's very little new under the sun, and sometimes we just shrug and move on. Silence

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As such, I’ll be reverting your edits for now, but I encourage you to open a discussion at the WP and invite frequent editors (Sbaio, Ho-ju, Deadman, and others, for example) to comment on what should be done regarding the tables/lists. Until then, please hold off for the time being. I hope this

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The tables w/ notability qualifications are how first/last games have been handled for upwards of a decade and a half, with seemingly no other users (especially those who frequently edit season pages) having issues with their inclusion; when I see them removed by a lone editor with an infrequent

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I appreciate you correcting my error on the block length at ANI. I should have looked closer at the text, I think it's just a general habit of mine when it comes to closing discussions since most of the ones I close have ended in that fashion. Sorry about that, and thank you for correcting me.

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I understand. But I prefer to not sanction when it's not needed. I'd prefer to get involved in some different drama at this point. I have projects to do and a life to live. If they're not to be trusted, their actions will bear that out, and it'll pop back onto ANI. For now, though, it's a dead

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editors arguing that an article can be based almost entirely on quotes from the individual (and objecting to that is BLUDGEONING with my "interpretation of policy" that "other users disagree with") and defending a user who has dumped 15+-link refbombs of club announcements, transactional

1415:. So basically a blocked advocacy editor has got some people persuaded that we shouldn't call her a killer. It really just smacks of pro-Letby editorialising to not allow her to be referred to as a killer, surely that is the norm on Knowledge (XXG), to refer to serial killers like 1177:

Or Season's Greetings or Happy Winter Solstice! As the year winds to a close, I would like to take a moment to recognize your hard work and offer heartfelt gratitude for all you do for Knowledge (XXG). May this Holiday Season bring you nothing but joy, health and prosperity.

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I'm not, myself; with MIAJudges' repeated stonewalling, we just seem to be taking his unsupported word for everything, and after the Garnett business, he's just not to be trusted. Nothing much to be done about that, though; either an admin demands some answers, or none do.

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You'll notice in the edit screen that there's Cite listed at the top. That opens up a drop down screen where you fill in various fields, and that generates the appropriate citation template. Please feel free to drop me a line if you need further/more comprehensive tips.

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Can you please justify your assertion that I am "subverting the changes in NSPORTS by just finding some reason, no matter how threadbare, to vote to Keep any sports bio at AfD." The facts are that (i) I vote "delete", "merge", "redirect", or "userfy" in 65.3% of AfDs (see

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As far as feedback on it goes, what struck me right off was the rank columns. I'd eliminate those, just by way of them being pains to update, unless you don't mind the ministerial task every year. Other than that, I don't see a thing wrong with your work. Well done.

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But I'll buck the tide in another point. Admins are not consecrated elites; they've just gotten through a broken process where the path to success is often to have been as inoffensive as possible and have nothing to hang Opposes from, because let me tell you, ANI has

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Oh, absolutely, I mean to tackle them all. As far as EBUGs go, those are ephemeral novelty acts that the press plays up in the moment, but emergency goalies aren't anything new. The lines of Claude Cyr or Julian Klymkiw aren't mentioned in Debuts either.

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I don't mind talk page messages along the lines of "You were a participant in X conversation, and it's started up again, let us know what you think." I very much mind talk page messages that pitch a strongly partisan POV, such as this one, and

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What I also think is quite improper is that the whole debate was started when the already-blocked Richard Gill apparently appeared again(!) to evade his block and suggest the whole intro be changed to claim she is just an "alleged" killer:

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any number of pile-ons, and a catchphrase I've repeated an uncomfortable number of times at ANI is that if we at Knowledge (XXG) dislike the slur of the radical right echo chamber casting us as running left-wing woke witch hunts, it's best

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Defarge of ANI, I shouldn't be instigating those very often. If you're willing to do so -- and while the sum of MIAJudges' actions might not be too egregious, their stonewalling of every inquiry is -- I'll be marching right on behind.

490:) I wouldn't change that if I could; I have seen way too many people get away with murder for way too long -- the Lugnutses and MickMacNees of the world -- to want to take this tool to remove bad actors out of the community's keyboards. 480:

Well ... the fact on the ground is that the community is allowed to levy such sanctions at ANI, and that's not changing any time soon. Indeed, pile-ons happen, and I readily admit to having participated in them. (Then again, I've also

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Between that and your curious belief that being found guilty at trial is not held to be synonymous with being guilty, you will perhaps forgive us for not as confident as you are that your expertise trumps all other considerations and

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To the degree you might care, by the bye, I'm male, but I don't snarl with rage if misgendered; it's a good bit less less by way of travail and indignity than half the human race put up with for pretty much the entire

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than the OP reflected the sentiment of the close: that EEng should behave better, and that there was no call for action beyond that; a classic case of SNOW. Do you anticipate a sudden surge of calls for sanctions?

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With that, seeing as this was putatively your first edit on Knowledge (XXG), demonstrably you're operating a sockpuppet account, likely to evade a block. Would you like to know how many admins watch my talk page?

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Sanctions? No, that's quite impossible. Some day I'd love to see a gentle acknowledgement from EEng that he at least realizes the burden he places on the rest of the community. I doubt that's happening either.

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And you're allowed to make them as well. I haven't delved into that particular dispute so as to have an informed opinion, but you have. If you think a tban is an overreaction, say so! And certainly doing so

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Hi, thank you for your edit, however the original date was correct as is stated in the reference. Further, my edit was also made after the hospital closed, so I don't believe I jumped the gun in any respect.

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explanation for the multiple accounts thing; it's not incompatible with the (diff revdeled) statements made at ANI. In any case, if there are other active accounts, behavioral evidence would be obvious.

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and I don't see that you have posted an entry on this page. This is part of the process. Did you mistakenly post on the June 20th log page? If so, please change the link on the redirect page. Thank you.

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Ummm, no. Using tables is a relatively recent thing, only over the last couple of years, done unilaterally, and that much only in recent NHL seasons. And with that, you are displaying some

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I just thought I ought to answer you somewhere. This doesn’t change the fact that the community decides to write Odesa, but the admins insist on using the wrong name Odessa in this article. -

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It's interesting, the more I lean on my gut feeling nowadays, the more I seem to be rewarded by it. Thanks for your feedback! I'm not sure I would have gone ahead with my post otherwise. --

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Hello there. I haven't talked much about this, but I have been working on a revamp of Hockey Mountain, expanding it to be a bit larger than what it currently is. I'll leave the link to it

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Not quite so unconscious now; MIA shot themselves in the foot big time. Take a look at the thread now. This is going straight to community ban, do not pass Go, do not collect $ 200.

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I might be misremembering, but at some AfD I recall you mentioning something about Rank and File not being a sufficiently SIGCOV source for GNG. I'm curious what your thoughts are on

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with another user continue to escalate. Rather than blow this up into an edit war, and seeing as the user has summoned an admin’s presence, could you review the latest topic on the

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I want to make it clear I’m not necessarily opposed to your changes, as consensus can certainly evolve over time; my issue is primarily with how you’re going about these changes.

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It did. Gah. And we've been working under the happy presumption that we'd seen the last of Dolovis. Well. If he gets back to his usual tricks, time for another ANI thread.

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this editor, and they are giving us no reason to do so. I really don't want to go over every one of their articlespace edits to see what else they've falsified.

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announcements, blogs, and passing mentions into 100+ AfDs. And these articles get kept because the same group who oppose NSPORTS2022 make it a point to !vote in

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and on which I've just short of a thousand edits.) Your condescending tone concerning what you will deign to permit or not, to put it mildly, is quite uncivil.

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Lou has lived in Greenfield for 9 years- I have tried adding a link to a Recorder article here and it will not let me. A google search will offer quick proof

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Simply put, it's just riddled with "local color" items that are poorly or unsourced, and which I'd expect to see in a locally-produced walking tour guidebook

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Apologies for stepping on your toes there, but I think the discussion could do to run a little longer. I don't think haste was called for in closing it.

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This user talk page is watched by several friendly editors, and someone other than me might reply to your query. Their input is always appreciated.

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has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the

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The original date was WRONG; your reference was from an out of town newspaper a month ago. The several references I added were from the

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My concern is thus: As much as I feel the points being made about Fleur's conduct are valid, this has the unpleasant connotation of a

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NSPORTS by just finding some reason, no matter how threadbare, to vote to Keep any sports bio at AfD. It's just exhausting, is all.

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I do know how, found the article to which you might have been referring, and added the link: go take a look to see how that's done.

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Hi there and merry Christmas! I'm just messaging as, quite a while ago now, you were party to the discussion about the COI editor

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don't want to lose that. If I did propose a TBAN, it would at the very least see leniency in the form of a brief ban period.

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Hi Ravenswing. The user with whom I had a dispute has changed their UP to a personal attack. Please address as you see fit.

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I feel that way, but I do think it would be useful to have uninvolved admins making that call. We very recently had a

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AfD while the rest of the community, who made their opinion clear at the RfC, don't participate in sportsperson AfDs.

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If you post to my talk page, I will reply here. If I posted to your talk page, I will look for responses there.

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be malleable, but I am working to curb it from any sourcing or bias issues, which seems to be the case here.

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Blah, you're right, and my bad; for some reason I had my head turned around to think Saturday was the 1st.

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Merry Christmas to you! Thank you for all your help with writing better articles. Have a nice Christmas. –

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and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a

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favors, let alone with the mop, and a lot of community members I trust to make such judgment calls.

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Hello, I wanted to be the first to wish you the very best during the holidays. Glad to know you.

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Hah, as it happens, you are! Thank you kindly, and happy holidays back atcha! Regards,

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Keep up the great work! You're one of the best editors on Knowledge (XXG). Thank you.

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Aaaaaand ... it looks like your statement had the result you wanted. Good on you.

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and thought of looking at older season pages. Such first games are also present at

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Aw, thank you kindly, old comrade! And may your own Christmas be merry as well.

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I see you tagged this redirect as being discussed at an RFD but the link goes to

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weather topics broadly construed. That makes me very uncomfortable. I don't know

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Gah! I meant the other way around, of course -- thanks for pointing that out!

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Want to blow off steam? Run around your block a dozen times or so instead.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:Justinw303&action=history

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Sportsnet confirmed it, and the link to the source is on the page.

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Thank you- I looked at how you linked it- that is really helpful

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Let me know if you think it's a point worth bringing up there.

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But now some editors want to replace the first line that says

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No, I pulled it once I saw that you'd deleted the original.

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Continued conflicts on Tom & Jerry (2021 American film)

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Knowledge (XXG):WikiProject Ice Hockey/Featured Topic Drive

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a Bruins userbox on your user page. Feel free to check out

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I've made that mistake before. Happens to the best of us!

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who was reported on ANI for advocacy in trying to portray

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Knowledge (XXG):Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 19

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and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at

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history on hockey season pages and no discussion at

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