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I don’t have any sources to help. What I thought was an NAIA D2 program was actually an NJCAA D2 program. I think the only way is to go year by year and research them. 1992 was David James of Grace - looked that one up on newspapers.com.
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article here and there, but it still requires a lot more. Just dropping this here in case you're interested in a challenge, seeing as you do a great job creating and updating tons of articles on basketball players. Cheers!
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