User talk:RookTaker - Knowledge (XXG)

2328:, per quoted sources the guy has been charged with terrorism-related crimes. IBTimes is a reliable source as are other news outlets listed, so it is unclear why you have removed the information. Sure, the charges are political in nature and should be viewed in the wider context of power struggle within Turkey, but the fact that he has been charged with terrorism is confirmed in multiple sources. Your attempt at relativising the issue right from the outset ("currently charged by the current government") read rather poorly in an encyclopaedia. — 822:

youtube video presents news reports from tv or a gathering showing thousands of people, how can this be unreliable. A single person standing and promoting his product is definitely not acceptable but this blanket rule on clear proofs is strange. I would request you to consider this policy and consider further development of editors so that they should not just look at the name of website but at contents if they really see value in reverting changes which other people spend their precious time on. e i Kind Regards, Nabeel

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respected mainstream publications. The book has no assocation with Salafimanhaj. All Salafimanhaj did was to take that book and translate it in English, which they then published. The only alternative is to find the original Arabic book and find someone willing to translate but this would be a weighty effort if one can simply use a translation. As I mentioned previously, this bit of the article was not my work but an attempt to keep well sourced information in the article is preferable.

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1. In current state, article is really a one liner. This is a famous book in most muslim countries. I have a general complaint with wikipedia that editors see things only in the light of knowledge that they have. If you don't know about this, ask for more references (which some editors do by adding a

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Hi, please engage in the talk page of the article on Ibn Taymiyyah if you disagree with my edits. Further, please do not refer to me as a bigot. I was genuinely seeking reliable references for the claim that the Theory of Relativity was a notable idea of Ibn Taymiyyah or that Ibn Taymiyyah influenced

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I would like to thank you RookTaker for your effort in improving the article on Said Nursi and keeping ill-intentions away from getting their inputs into the article. I am not very well versed in Knowledge (XXG)'s style and policies of writing articles nor have time to do that. It is very pleasant to

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Thank you for your point regarding Mohammed Yusuf. I will not remove it just yet though as I need to look through sources once more to see how much the link between him and Ibn Taymiyyah are afforded weight, and how many sources cover it. Please do continue to vet the work on the Ibn Taymiyyah page,

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RootTaker, If you do the same with other similar articles, then I will accept your intervention. As it stands, I have provided plenty of citations, but you are not desisting. This seems to be a personal agenda of yours and GeorgeCusters. Here are examples: Intisar Rabb, Jonathan A C Brown, Asifa

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I think what I added is clear enough; i.e. Ash'ari creed is opposed by the Salafi/Wahhabi doctrine which is espoused by some armed groups in Syria who may have killed this man. The point of my edit is that an unassuming reader might question why a respected Sunni scholar would be killed in a mosque

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If you are able to show that al-Jasim's work has been "vetted by the scholarly community" and that his book "has been published in reputable peer-reviewed sources or by well-regarded academic presses" then I would be happy for his book to be cited. As a side point, I am sure there are many reliable

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salam Alikom My dear brother .. If you were Ash'ari I respect that.. But.. I hate the man a bigot When I put the references he does deletes as if decision in his hand Please.. tempered anger towards the Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah.. but if you have convincing excuse.. I am sorry.. I will accept

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2. Secondly, i have added information about the translations of this book and background information. Sources quoted were actually those translations. What other proof would be sufficient to tell people that translations exist other than referencing actual translations. It seems as if you did not

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As to the points regarding reliable sources, yes I was aware that Salafimanhaj is a partisan source. You could basically figure that out just by the name. However the book in question is written by a notable qualified scholar by the name of Uthman al- Jasim. In the Arab world the book is part of

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Secondly I deleted the mention of Mohammad Yusuf because there are/were a lot of other Islamist leaders who have also been inspired by Ibn Taymiyyah and who are also more notable. These are as follows; Osama bin Laden, Sayid Qutb, Abdullah Azzam, Hassan Al Banna and Rashid Rida. I have reliable

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I had similar issue with another article 'Tariq Jameel'. He is a person who has 100s of sites dedicated to him, thousands of videos on youtube from various sources, coverage on TV and thousands of followers world-wide. Due to lack of information with the editor, changes were reverted back! If a

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Al-Jasim has been vetted by the scholarly community but since you mentioned there being other reliable sources, on reflection, yes it would be best to use others. Regardless, I do not think the issue of Sabuktigin is as important as some of the other areas that need work on the article page.

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Thank you for the speedy reply. I just thought Mohammed Yusuf was relatively insignificant as compared to Sayyid Qutb and OBL etc who are basically responsible for modern Islamism, in whatever shape one chooses to ascribe to the form of Islamism. It may be better for us to remove his name (my

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I am so sorry because maybe I angered you but please how convinced you through my ref ?? I swear to you that my ref is reliable and from sources and Arab Studies like Compilation of Fatawa for Ibn Taymiyyah "Majmoo' al-Fatawa or Majmu' al-Fatawa" please if you can help please help me

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Secondly, Knowledge (XXG) articles are required to present a neutral point of view based on reliable secondary sources. Websites such as kalamullah.com are not considered reliable due to there polemic and sectarian nature. Neutral sources include media agencies such as the

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is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016.

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and may have been created by a fan (the only editor aside from me) to promote the sale of a book. In any event, the article relies on unacceptable or weak sources and says almost nothing that can be considered encyclopedic. Thanks and best regards,

994:, I hope you are well. I'll hopefully do some research on Umar Vadillo in the near future and see if I can find some reliable secondary sources. From my recollection he belongs to a group named al-Murabitun, though I am unaware of his notability. 815:

open those source locations for verification. Also, I don't see any problem with mentioning who the publishers of this book are. I don't work for them and i have mentioned more than one. How is this going to be promotional. I have serious doubts.

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Hello RookTaker, thank you for spotting the mistake about Ibn Rajab. After your edit, I reviewed the encyclopedia of Islam article again and found that his mention was in reference to him being inspired by Ibn Taymiyyah so I have corrected it.

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article as it did not seem constructive. It is a little difficult to keep pace of things however as he seems very active and has already made a few hundred edits. One thing you might want to look at is his suggestion to change the title of the

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The content regarding Sabuktigin, I took from Sabuktigin's page because it was referenced. However you have stated that the book, "The Ash'aris: in the Scales of Ahlus Sunnah", is a bigotted PoV source. Could you please explain why? Regards

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articles have been on the receiving end of some of this, though the user has already been reverted by multiple users across multiple articles so those might be safe since the changes are less substantial. The main problem area is

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by a suicide bomber by—in all likelihood— fellow Sunnis. Since the lead chose to present al-Bouti as a follower of Sunni/Ash'ari school, the rift the latter has with Salafis is a notable fact which should be pointed out. --

2493: 1754:- we could end up with a very long list in the infobox. Is this a good enough reason not to include him - I'm not sure. Perhaps we can get some guidance from more experienced editors. Assistance can be provided from 2456: 2285:. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose 384:

You claim I can't use a personal webpage for reference if the author claims fanatical views according to your POV. So what is your POV on Edip Yüksel? His Knowledge (XXG) article is referenced by his webpage.

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I really don't think that al-Jasim is a "notable qualified scholar". His works are typically sectarian in nature and are clearly used to put forward a particular point of view (in this case Salafist). In

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for deletion. It seems to be one of those poorly sourced pages created by a fan or by someone connected by Vadillo himself. I'd be grateful if you would take a look at the page and share your views at

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see somebody taking on this task especially on the article of Said Nursi. Please let me know if you would be interested in a project to improve the article in the future. Again, special thanks

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page to copy edit the clumsy and repetitive written expression and to add appropriate temples. Another editor has started reverting EVERYTHING. Can you please take a look. Thank and regards,

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This article needs to improve gradually and I believe this revision is hindering that. Future editors will need to start again from square A rather than building upon available information.

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You say you want to talk yet you're reverting my changes and ignoring my request to discuss these edits. There are multiple and using the article talk page won't suffice.

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opinion). I understand if you would still like it left in, in which case I would have to add the above mentioned names to maintain proper weight in the influenced section.

751:. You'll see that the page had various templates and citation tags, but this one editor keeps removing them without addressing the issues. My regards and wishes of peace, 729:. I am well thanks and hope you are too. I have never heard of Asad Q. Ahmed before. However, I will endeavour to improve the page over the next few days (if possible). 2379: 2046:, is changing sourced information on the Zaytuna College page without adding new (and better) sources or discussing the changes on the talk page. He has now broken the 232:

is also a good place to ask for what steps to take. (Note: I can't mediate the dispute myself due to time constraints. I just thought I would give the suggestion.)

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the individuals you mentioned. It seems far-fetched. I am happy for you to prove me wrong however using reliable sources as per wikipedia guidelines.

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and its talk page. Ashwak786 seems to want to consider this very imperfect page to be perfect and edit-proof. Thanks so much. Regards,

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Quraishi, etc. I am happy that all these people are represented. But all should be represented equally. Use equal standards.

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and whilst the editor is probably well-meaning, some of the changes don't appear to be backed up from reliable sources as per

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article to Salafism. I'm not strongly against this, though you might want to contribute to the discussion on the talk page.

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Dear RookTaker, I hope you are well. I know you are busy but I'll be very glad and grateful if you'll please look at the

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describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to

2050:. I've written on the College talk page and on the editor's talk page. Can you please take a look. Regards and thanks, 1979:

as without your help, there would have been an incorrect reference to Ibn Rajab. Regards Signed at later date by Mbcap

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have had a number of disagreements about the Said Nursi page. It might be a good idea for you guys to go the route of

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