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an effort to try to bring some sense to these sorts of "fantasies" but there are indeed a lot of amateur genealogists or monarchists or whatever they are on WP who are obsessive about these "princesses" and "dukes" of nonexistent monarchies and they all gang up and argue until they are blue in the face that the articles labeling somebody the holder of a royal title that was abolished more than a hundred years ago are correct. So I gave up, thinking "oh well, what the heck, let them live in their deluded fantasies, what does it matter really" but I don't actually think WP should be a refuge for that kind of nonsense. I am mostly a content creator, on opera and
Baroque music more than anything else, and am not as familiar as you are with all these procedures of how to try to change MOS guidelines etc., I don't even know what VPPOL is, but I am more than willing to try to help in any way I can so please try to set that up Believe me, those examples I gave at NPOV noticeboard are the mere tip of the iceberg, there are zillions more. You are welcome to contact me on my talk page at any time. Best,
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I just burned all my WP time for today on a C-to-B-class cleanup and assessment. I agree it needs to be done, but I don't relish the drama, and it would be time-consuming to even draft a VPPOL RfC on it. I can do it, but not immediately. I'm hoping someone else will run with it. Then again,
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I'm not into striking; what's said is said. But, it's enough for now; as I already indicated over there, I'm going to let that aspect of this alone. I get where you're coming from, but in this particular dispute (I mean the entire months-long saga, not just today) and this
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