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246:, you were the one user who agreed with me that it was probable the user behind the "race and intelligence" RFC was a parody account. I'd like you to be aware that I knew more about this than I initially let on, because I was a member of the Slack server where the parody trolling was being coordinated. I posted a link to the Slack server in the ANI thread, although the server has been deleted now. I'm sorry for not disclosing this detail earlier; in the earlier arbitration request I was hoping I could present a case for what I knew what was going on without betraying any private information.
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called for a desysopping.) ArbCom these days is very resistant to taking cases at all, and especially resistant to taking ones that it sees as "redundant" or "unripe". The existing avenues will likely need to be exhausted more first. But ya never know! If a good enough argument can be made that something crucial was missing from the original RI case, that might be good enough grounds for an RI2 case. I don't want to file such a case request myself. I can barely tolerate forays into RFARB and ARCA. Just the last couple of days of
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It isn't all that important to me whether I get blocked again at ANI, but I'd like to know what I should do with the information I have from Slack about what's been done to these articles. While the parody material was being inserted I made every effort stop it, and my efforts were both futile and
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the procedural path open to you. And if they came close to taking a case about this in May, then more evidence will only make it more likely they'll do so next time it comes up. I guess what I would suggest is sending a summary of what evidence you have and why it matters, then sending the
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