2201:, its a fair observation. I made the edit with the clear intention that the entire conversation should be archived, not just what LB preferred to keep. As for any "poking", I'm just tired of being on the receiving end of LB's vitriole that seems to be based on personal bias versus anything concrete. I'm not doing anything "to her" other than shining a light on her actions for others to be aware of. As for the "round table", that was just a practical decision. Since I was starting it, it seemed to make sense to do it on my page versus Panda or another Admins. If bringing it up on an Admin's page and alerting others would have been the better route, then I apologize for that choice.
1831:, In the past bit you have created 2 threads at AE, 4-5? threads at ANI, a thread at AN, Multiple posts on various noticeboards and wikiprojects, plus complained directly to multiple admins. People may be jerks, and may be being mean to you. But if the previous dozen-ish threads haven't gotten traction, piling on another one is unlikely to help, and it is likely to alienate more editors who could be helping you. There is stuff to criticize in other's behavior, but there is also stuff to criticize in YOUR behavior, and you have repeatedly failed to
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This and other actions of the past week are evidence of harassment, and I would surely appreciate it if someone would re-open the request for evaluation that I started at ANI so that there is an audit trail, so to speak, not only of the behavior, but of my strong, and IMO justified, objection to it.
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I'm going to pretend I was invited to this conversation: Scalhotrod, sorry, but I think it's very inappropriate of you to be editing the talk page/archive of someone with whom you have such disagreements. The appropriate thing to have done, if anything had to be done in the first place, would be to
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I removed what was said, by himself and others, after that because - again - it was just rehashing the same arguments and was feeling more like harassment to me than conversation. Scalhotrod, quit following me around, leave me alone. If you have a complaint re: my behavior, gather your evidence and
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Dammit, Scal, I've asked you this mutliple times now: If you're going to talk about me, take it to the appropriate forum. And notify ME that you're talking about me, so that I can defend myself. Quit gossiping about me. Quit harassing me. You told me yourself, barely two weeks ago that my talk page
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All of it. You continue to make false accusations of personal attacks, while ignoring ANYONE who actually shows you that you're mistaken on what the policy says. That's inappropriate, and actionable. I see you refused to respond to the AN you opened, and now it's closed. Further harassment of
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YW? - English is not my first language, I am known for taking things too literally, and for asking the meaning of abbreviations. (Once, the question could only be answered by emailĀ ;) ) - I saw on
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