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and maths teacher and to us school boys he was universally known as 'Pope' Norton due to the baldness of his head which gave him a priestly look. I have no ready to hand citation for this, but could probably dig one out in a school history. Not a big issue, but I would be interested to know if in cricket circles he went by the name 'Pop' and the name we knew him by was perhaps an evolution as he grew bald in later years. Greetings from a fellow cricket fan.
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Thanks for alerting me to these fundamental changes in the structure of Pakistan cricket and for providing so many sources. I'll see what I can do, but I prefer to wait until the teams have actually played before giving them articles, so it may be some time before I produce the sort of thing you are
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Thanks for alerting me to this, BST. I've always had my doubts about the value of these sub-stubs, but on the other hand they seem no worse than harmless, and they give the rest of us something to build on. So there's plenty of work for us to do to rescue dozens of worthy old players from Knowledge
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I see you reverted my edit on Eric Norton's nickname. I am sorry I did not insert an explanation for the change. Hit the save button before thinking and realised too late. It is interesting that you say that he was definitely known as 'Pop'. Do you have a citation for this? He was my headmaster
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as well. There are lots of New Zealanders on the list - Lugnuts was working through them in about 2016 I think. I've been working on the Otago list, adding what I can. The list at the link itself is difficult to use, so I'm focussing on anyone with a forename from A to F and seeing what I can get.
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Thank you so much for updating my father's page. It's mostly correct now. Slight differences only with his working with the RAF. He was a mechanic. He drove buses in London while putting himself through school. Both minor differences. Thanks again! Reading your updated version made me happy
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Knowledge (XXG) is suppose to provide information about a Cricketer or a personality. It seems you are unaware of the cricketing scenario in india in the 1970”s and therefore are going on editing Surinder Amarnath”s content without actually knowing what happened in the country at that time. I have
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It looks as if there are going to be hundreds of these now, possibly even thousands. It's very frustrating if they are going to change the goalposts, by some opaque new criteria, so late in the game. So much honest constructive work, especially on your part, gets trashed. Anyway, Gerald Austin at
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Yeah, I'm on the same page with regard to the stubs, but it's actually going to be a lot easier to deal with them now than in the five years they'll be in draft. I thought you should know anyway as there seem to be quite a few who are notable and that we can find sources for.
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Thanks. He's a challenge. There were several prominent Richardsons in Dunedin at the time, and all I can find about him so far is that he returned to England in 1866, so there may not be much other information around. But I'll keep looking, when I can spare a moment.
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Thanks. I'm very glad you and the family have found them interesting. There may be more to find out about Ned. When I have time I'll see what I can find. Unfortunately, when one searches in the newspaper archives using the word "sale" one gets a lot of wrong leads.
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newspaper cuttings to prove what I have written but I think according to you only Australians can be great .. is it ? You have conveniently locked the page on the pretext of preventing vandalism whereas writing what you want and then locking the page is vandalism .
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You are welcome to contribute to Knowledge (XXG). But you must stick to the rules, which are there to make Knowledge (XXG) encyclopedic and to keep it from descending into disputation and chaos. All contributions must be supported by verifiable
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I don't know. The preferred title seems to be National Performance Squad, which, as the team is unlikely ever to play outside Australia, is probably what it will usually be known as. But I'm happy to be corrected if I'm
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There is sadly, and I don't believe it to be in good faith given how rapidly they've been nominated. I've been pointed in the direction of a NZ archive page, so if I can spare the time in between studies I'll muck in.
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Ianblair23: Thanks for the kind words and encouragement. I get a great deal of pleasure from researching and writing these little biographies, so it's reassuring to know that some other people are also reading them.
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Hi Sammyrice, I just wanted to drop to note to say keep up the excellent work in creating new articles on cricketers and cricket in general. Please also consider nominating any further newly created articles for
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Hi Sammy - hope you're OK. There was a small batch of NZ cricketers who played for Otago that have been redirected. Again, if you time/interest in expanding any of them, it would be most appreciated.
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Hi Sammy. Hope you are well. I know you do some excellent expansion work on the more obscure cricket biographies, so if you have either the time and/or inclination, would you be able to help out with
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I don't know why there is any question about this article's notability. A team that plays 16 first-class matches, usually involving past or future Test players on both sides, is clearly notable.
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if you're ever running short of teams (I thought I'd take a stab at them some time, but that hasn't happened yet – Karachi and Lahore have about 40 between them). Anyway, keep up the good work.
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And a note for anyone thinking this is canvassing for the AfDs - I'm simply asking someone who has excellent skills in expanding cricket biographies, not to vote stack the related discussions.
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for a NZ cricketer where only his initial and surname are currently known. And one match for Otago in 1865/66! Thanks again for your great work in NZ cricket biographies over the months too.
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Thank you so much for your articles on my grandfather Vernon Scott Sale and his father Ned Sale. It’s wonderful to read My dad Don Sale has also enjoyed seeing the summaries you’ve given
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Hello there , I can see you have written some content about Surinder Amarnath - Former Test Cricketer based on the figures and numbers which themselves are available on ESPNCRICINFO.
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Hi Sammyrice. Been meaning to give you a barnstar for many years, have been a big fan of your quiet diligent work. I've decided to retire, but wanted to wish you all the best.
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Yes, there's quite a purge going on. Some of those cricketers' articles can certainly be restored with a bit of expansion. I'll be working on them, when I get the time.
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Thanks, StickyWicket. Very kind of you. I'm sorry to hear you're retiring. All the best, and maybe you'll pick up your bat and ball again some time in the future.
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For excellent contributions to the cricket project for many years, particularly coverage of Australian, New Zealand, South African and Oxbridge cricketers.
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on today's AfD log. If any of them jump out as ones you could possibly help with expansion, I would be grateful as always. No worries if not. Thanks again.
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200 bytes added in the past won't make it on to the list, for example. Don't know if you have a particular view on this, but you might be interested.
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for South African cricketers? If there is anything more you are able to find about any of them, that would be amazing. No worries if you can't.
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I think Gerald Austin is possibly the best one to save, with 29 FC matches. I found something about him being an accountant too. Thanks again.
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I think I've probably rescued Lewis/Cyril Newnham. If I have time later I'll have a look at the others. All the best.
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Elizabeth MacKintosh and her family spelt it with a capital K. It's in the new biography by Jennifer Morag Henderson.
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Just thought I'd say nice work on the Pakistani (and Indian) cricket teams – it's messy work sorting out who's who.
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Hi Sammyrice. I see Lugnuts has already given you a heads up about New Zealand cricketers being AfD'ed. Some more
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Well I went ahead and restored all the articles, and they were then all sent for deletion. There's a LOT of them
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Mackintosh is the conventional spelling of the surname, is there any reason you are changing it to MacKintosh?
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You can find more sources by searching Patron's Trophy or Patron's Trophy Pakistan Army/Navy cricket Team.
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Thanks for retaining the edit. I would also like to thank you for creating the page for my grandfather.
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Thanks for creating well-sourced cricket biographies and very well-researched work. Thanks again.
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I've expanded Gale somewhat, and he should be safe now. I can't find much about Anderson though.
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For your incredible work in expanding countless simple stubs into decent articles. Thanks!
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Awarded to you for your valuable contributions on creating/improving articles related to
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There are clear criteria for inclusion on the list, so anything which has had : -->
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You are quite welcome. Like I said, your articles would be a wonderful addition to
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Thanks. I'll see if I can bring at least one or two of them out of obscurity.
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Thanks. I've fixed them all now. I'm reading Reese's fascinating memoirs.
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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing
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Subject doesn't seem notable. Citations are largely from a single source.
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Hi Sammy - hope you are well. You may or may not be able to help with
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I'm doing my best, but we seem to be up against an immovable force.
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too, if you able to add anything more to their bios. Thanks again.
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Thank you - appreciate any extra info you may find about him.
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Hi Sammy. Hope all is well. I don't know if you can help with
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process can result in deletion without discussion, and
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Flappychappy
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21:53, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Sammyrice
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11:52, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
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Sammyrice
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09:03, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
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23:29, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
Sammyrice
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