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saying that's not true, even if you don't hear them! But perhaps this is really not needed, if there's no place where they actually criticise this authencity. We have no access either to these "numerous edits on other
Peoples Temple's tapes". So I guess this information could be removed. But now about the careful analysis and the status of the tape before the events of November 18, 1978, I have to say I wouldn't remove them because of the source. I've just taken a look at it, though, and read the text "in diagonal", but, through what I've read, I got the feeling that this is based on a lot of supositions... The author seems to assume from the beginning that there was no music being played during the mass murder-suicide, and they don't seem to explain why they believe that. It looks like this source isn't really reliable... Perhaps this statement could also be removed.
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Hello, and thank you for sharing with me your opinions about my acts! Now, let me tell you a few things. First of all, your edit was basically vandalism. You've criticised me for altering someone's comment, since that sort of act is "by definition antithetican to
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On a date? I can dream of it! If you should find I don't reply quickly, then I shall probably be tired or asleep. Or doing something else. Perhaps playing chess. Or perhaps reading the Bible. Or perhaps checking emails. Or something. Whatever. Probably not school, though, because I'm on holidays now.
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Caro Simão. Eu não perderia tempo com este pedido. Primeiro, o autor não apresenta nenhuma justificativa, mas pronto, não é o maior pecado. O pedido vem de um IP, geralmente este tipo de pedido vem de editores mais sérios. Mas também isto não é pecado. O que realmente me preocupa é que este pedido é
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I could, yes. However, the page seems to be huge... It would take quite a long time. However, school holidays are approaching, so I would indeed have more time for that. Nevertheless, would it really be worth it? Does anyone else want it translated or just you? And should I translate into the title
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How dare you edit other people's post to reflect your own personal religious beliefs? Are you insane?? By inserting this text into your personal page I am showing you the same sort of disrespect you display with your religiously motivated censorship. Would it be acceptable to you if people who find
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However, now I find myself before a hypothetical 2-sentence-and-1-audio-file article: the second adjective I've used speaks for itself—there's no reason for the article to keep on existing!... Or... is there? How short can an article worthy of existence be? Well, whatever the answer, I'm now pretty
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Hmm... Well, maybe you're right. This debate related to the tape's authenticity has really no source... However, I would have trouble believing that no one disagrees with the fact that the tape is genuine... After all, when you say something without irrefutable proof, there's usually always someone
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OK. I shall. Actually, allow me to tell you that I was indeed willing to stop reactivating the edit resquest after this last denial of yours. I actually wrote a response that I meant to publish, saying I was going to give up on that and try to get to a consensus, but there was a problem with my
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935:. Well, unlike you're saying, I did not "edit other people's post to reflect own personal religious beliefs". I don't think I have ever edited anyone else's posts. What I did that time was merely censoring a swear word that someone used on their edit summary when I
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na Wikipédia portuguesa. Fora isso, o pedido parece algo suspeito. Acha que deveríamos talvez consultar um administrador? (E como, já agora?) Parece que, pelo menos, dois utilizadores estão interessados
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Thanks! Now you see why you should justify your changes, right? It would make absolutely no sense to go on fighting... I can see through your home page that you are an active and congratulated
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I see your point. I hadn't actually noticed yet the recording had been copied when I undid your edit. That was good. I've actually downloaded the recording, though I haven't yet heard it...
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you vandalising is even worse. (I don't really think what I did was wrong, but I'll get there.) If you think it's OK to vandalise, since you are right, please read
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947:. I don't think I was attacking anyone. In fact, censorship is something very common in many places, like documentaries (for example, documentaries made by
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