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Hey Singh6. I'll post my thoughts there. But I won't be able to do much as real life concerns and the wikiproject I'm a part of I need to start working on more. Anyway, if the article can be fixed to be NPOV, I think it should stay, as religions like
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Firstly, I'd like to give you a well-deserved commendation for your edit to my talk page; that's actually probably the most well-crafted case I've ever seen here. You've backed up every point, and I really think this will help. Now, all I need to do is round up the editor and make sure he's read
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NPOV references. If he need any help to point towards the references behind every single sentence then I will be more than happy to point towards that reference. Would you editors be happy if this editor
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status someday. Did Sikh migration occur to Bombay during the 1984 Anti-Sikh riots. Do you have any statistics of migration to Bombay. If you would like to help me, then do contact me or put it in
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Oh Really ? Mr Extremist, why dont you understand that if we are not targeting your religious/historical articles then you should spare ours as well ??? History is history, why to distort it ?
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