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I make them. It seems they simply don't want anything credited to him, yet his role in the band was a major factor in the resulting sound and focus of the band today (this is verified). My very latest edit, I admit, goes into the dispute itself, but is verifiable and notable. I just got fed up with trying to cater to this band just to get my few little corrections in and went all out to present everything. I just want a factual article, but now these people have pushed it beyond mere pettiness and seem to want to re-write history altogether (something they have already been acused of, and which is more than evident here). This issue has been up for Rfc for some time (2 times) and the only people responding are me and this band/or fans of (or various sock puppets reverting my edits). One Wiki user more experienced also jumped in to help (Dionyseus) but because of his/her affiliations with games (an industry this band caters to) I think perhaps that editor is too close to this matter to see things with a NPOV. The other editors (who have no other edits but this article) do not respond to my questions, and when they do post, their statements are to attack instead of responding. I am sure they are fans, as am I, but since I am a fan of both sides, I am also trying to present the true history to be fair to both. I am not the band, nor am I the other party, as has been accused. I do not have multiple accounts. I think it's evident I am the only one here, except for one or two others that rarely visited in the past few months, who is vying for the fairness of this piece. I am asking for some advocacy. I'd appreciate it if you would take the time to really read the versions of the article and look into my resources for the edits I have made. Compare my versions with the subtle deceptiveness of past versions, the blatant self-promotion, ect. I don't believe anyone has gone far enough to do that. As to the dispute that is ongoing between this band and it's former member, I am willing to edit that section out of my article so long as the real history (who joined first, second), influences (on the new musical focus), and credits (Vargo as producer, ect) are presented in a concise and forthright manner... something not yet accomplished in previous versions this article. I also strive for sections and a library-like list of resources (chronology first to last) so as to adhere to the timeline of the article, as opposed to a list that only presents the most recent and most favorable press for the band (ie: press that only depicts a version of history they are now attempting to bury), including verbage that presents the resources in a promotional-like manner (ie: "see the cover story" as oppsed to just listing the periodical). Well, sorry for the long message. I hope you'll help.
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the evidence that all leading proponents are affiliated with the
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I'm now tempted by is moving the cucumber into the gallery as in ie the heart still floats below giving space, if the cucumber were moved, that should also fix that but I'll leave aloe for the moment to let you see what's already happened. As ever, if you don't want to keep the changes, revert me! --
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edits on the talk page and give me your opinion? It seems that a lot has been said (Might take you awhile to read through that section) and it has started to turn ugly. If you do not have the time or inclination to help me with this (Thanks for all the help you've given so far!!) could you recommend
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660:. Although this is not a standard closure, it is my hope that it will satisfy most of the points brought up in the debate. If you STRONGLY disagree with this closure on a procedural level please leave me a talk page message rather than drag this to
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be easily missed by any spell checker. I hope my correction becomes permanent. I'll probably create an account pretty soon. When I get the courage to create one. :) Thanks. By the way, one of the names behind the IP is
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I think that page about me is in bad faith. It exists just to make me look bad for an incident that happened five months ago of which I've apologised and regretted, plus there are several unfounded accusations in there.
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Granted, it points to a commercial web site. But the content is only dealing with the topic and does not include any ads. Additionally it is much more in-detail and based on test then the other externel links.
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This section of the article that i removed from plame is very misleading - it makes the reader think that the
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