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Thuringowa to a higher place than what it actually is (like reading the article and associated articles makes it seem more important than Brisbane) has created a lot of unnecessary work for other editors. Let's hope you
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G'day TCR. I share your interest in Thuringowa's history, and I thought you might like access to some further information which could be useful in adding to some Knowledge (XXG) articles. I haven't got time to edit the Knowledge (XXG) articles myself, but you're welcome to use the published
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declare the winner until after all the Councillors are determined than we may be waiting weeks... in the mean time I presume that Mooney is in charge during this caretaker period as the chair of transition committee. Cheers,
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