User talk:Tortle/Archive 1

793:. First off, I want to say that I didnt feel tat Bmcln1 was bwing uncivil, I just said that I would like to conversation to continue in a civil way as some discussions can get out of hand and I wanted to show that I am not trying to be antagonistic. As far as consensus, I wasnt trying to imply that discussion with another editor meant that it is good for everyone, I was merely trying to illustrate that I gave it some thought. The lead section that I am applying makes much more sense than the current one and I am here to improve the encyclopedia which I feel I am doing in changing these. At my pace, Ill be done applying it to every lead section tomorrow and it will be an improvement from what the leads were originally but of course theres still room for improvement and my lead isnt perfect. But the thing is is that after this, Im done with the literature pages. Someone can come up wih a better lead and apply it to 600+ pages or editors can edit pages individually. All I care about is that I made 600 pages a little bit better and set the bar a little higher for others to build on it. I had a long day so I hope I am making sense right now. Anyway, I hope that didnt come off as antagonistic as that wasnt the intent and it was nice meeting you. 777:

was excessively general, and gave the impression of a far wider scope than the title implies. Working with one other editor does not constitute a consensus across the encyclopaedia, or even a project. Also, Bmcn1 did not revert your edits, they were edited to provide a different content than existed before your edits were made. This is not reversion, and it is a perfectly legitimate, and in my mind, appropriate way of handling the matter, particularly as the text resulting from these edits is more suitable than either the original text or your edits. This is an example of how Knowledge should work. I also don't think that Bmcln1's edit summaries were in any way uncivil. A request for you to think about what you are doing does not imply that you have not thought about it before, only that you need to think about it again, with which I concur. If you were to continue by using the version as edited by Bmcln1, the articles will be generally improved, but some day another editor may come up with a better version, which may not necessarily be applied to all the year in literature pages, as there is no requirement for them to conform to a consistent style. Cheers, • • •

754:) and most of the events listed are historically significant, I am doing no wrong in writing that they are historical. I applied this lead to all the xxxx in Australian Literature pages and have already applied it to about 100 of the xxxx in literature pages, the ones that you are reverting. I plan on applying the lead to all the pages to achieve the now non existent conformity that is needed here. I worked with another user to come up with this lead and have received no other criticism. I also dont appreciate you refertig multiple edits of mine before coming to my talk page and also writing in an edit summary that I need to think as I spent extensive time and effort on this project. Nice meeting you and I hope we can come to a civil conclusion to this 397:

it should be but I dont even think that dramas should be included as they are just a subgroup of books and poetry, like for example, we wouldnt add other genres like history, sci-fi, mystery, etc. And "events" shouldnt be included either because "events" arent a type of literature and arent written about on the page. How about, The year of 1940 introduced many noteworthy works of Australian literature. Nice to meet you, lets bounce some ideas back and forth and try to fine tune this to make some sense of it.

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sections says that it needs to be concise and succinct. I didnt think they were either of those so I requested that the lead section be shortened first. Ill check out that checklink link you suggested but I already read the other two. And 5s is at max and Bern. S. Is over it for paragraph count and the paragraphs are long anyway. And thats assuming that both articles are 30k+ characters which I didnt check nor would I know how.

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discussion is closed. The only occasions that I am aware of where the page owner is not supposed to delete a closed discussion is when it is an official warning message for contravening established policy, posted by an admin, after a warning for similar unacceptable behiour. If I am mistaken please point me to the policy specifically stating what may not be deleted by the page owner. Cheers, • • •

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subject then its good that I didnt blank it. Theres not much I can do now though. And I already read through those links, the page said you didnt need to make a proposal if you think others will bw interested which I have already seen lots of interest in these subjects. Thanks, maybe youll want to join once construction is done.

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template. Then you reopened the conversation by removing both templates. I assumed you removed both due to the fact that the template was a typo and you thought you were just removing a test edit of mine. So I reclosed it and noticed your comment here. I am allowed tio close it as there was a resolution.

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involved some significant new books, drama, poetry and events." Firstly, I think that "1940" and "Australian Literature" should split up because trying to fit the title into the sentence is awkward. Then, I think the word involved is a little out of context. And then finally, "drama" isnt plural like

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I did read both of those before beginning and I didnt discuss creation as it said that if you think there will be support for the idea, you dont have to. The main issue was how I conducted the move and whatnot. I started reverting my edits like you asked, and if redoing the wikiproject, Ill do it he

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Since you appear to be a new editor (your request to usurp the name Tortle certainly implies that you are), please work, read, and observe more before venturing into areas that call for experience. I am reverting all of your GANs, since this kind of bulk nomination is inappropriate in any event, and

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The option I gave took out the need to make a list like books, plays, poems etc. So I dont think we need to list them like the original. I do like the "year in poetry" line so how about a mix between mine and that one like, "This list presents the noteworthy works of Australian Literature fabricated

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I was unser the impression that the old one was for the same purpose of the inner workings but I might be wrong. I thought that instead of blanking it and restarting, I would move it so that theres it still exists in case someone wants to use the layout or something. If it is in fact on a different

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has a good point regarding your edits to the "In literature" pages. They are not primarily about historical events, they are lists of literary events, which are historical because they occurred in that year. Any historical events listed are relevant only when they relate to literature. Your wording

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as an example, starts: "The year 1940 in literature involved some significant literary events and new books." There are probably around 500 of these pages - there are now some 80 Australian pages as well - so I think making the change in all of them is going to take some doing. Might be best if we

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and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion

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One day, a roofer visits you with an offer to build a new roof on your house. Although you are very satisfied with the roof that is on your house already, he tells you that it will cause problems. He says that he wants to provide a better roof to you. He says that he is operating a new business

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There is a difference between editing or removing a third party's message on someone else's talkpage, which is not allowed, and cleaning up your own talk page by deleting or archiving discussions which are closed, and as a general rule one should defer to the opinion of the page owner as to when a

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When the conversations were finished, I archived them by hand. They are still accessable in my archives. So I did nothing wrong. I even am allowed to delete comments on my talk page if I wanted to. I cannot be blocked for archiving my talk page and you didnt even use an existent template, you just

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article are a bit long for their overall size, you should not fail articles because they do not meet your personal criteria of "I will only mark this as a good article if the lead section is shorter in lengh than the infobox to it's right and if someone turns the hitler quote into a block quote."

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I just got you your barnstars, you really should be getting twenty based on my original listing but I didnt expect anyone to do so many at a time and rewarding you 20 of the same barnstars would be odd so I gave you 5 different ones for your hard work. Theres not really more to do but one day, I

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I posted the closure and then noticed that the header was inside the purple box so I went to fix it. I put the header outside the box and saved it but the {{archivebottom}} template had a typo and looked like {{archivebottom} and the close didnt work properly due to the issue with the bottom

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Hi, firstly, Its nice meeting you. Its not my personal criteria, heres the official criteria that says to follow the policy on lead sections, "b. it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation." And the policy on lead

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Fair enough, It looks like both of us may have been reading too much between the lines. I still think that Bmcln1's modification of your lead sentence is an improvement, and if they continue to make the change they have my support, as that would make the 600 pages better still. Cheers, • • •

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The original WikiProject Knowledge has been moved back to its original title and should not have been subject to a series of moves without discussion. The pages you created have been deleted but can be restored if you discuss a proposal for a new WikiProject under a different name at

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page. I take your point about the lead sentence not making sense - although I've seen it so often now I know what it's getting at. The original sentence on this and other "year in Australian literature" pages is based on the standard "year in literature page". That page, using

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to make it easy to refer to. So I agree we should change my phrase but I don't believe that we should keep the original because it hardly makes sense. I would be willing to undertake the project of changing them all if we come to a good phrase. Heres the original, "The year

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Give me a break Hoary. I know not to delete others comments, from already searching through my contributions, you surely know that this was just another revert of my previous edits and it was a mistake and the edit wasnt intended to delete the comment. Leave me alone.

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which you can join as a charter member if you want now, the page is still under construction and the official opening will be in a day or two. Ill see you around and Ill ping you if I ever decide to do the years in poetry so maybe we can work together on it. Thanks

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Ok, so I started the Australian year in lit. pages and I wont mess with the main year in lit. pages. Afterwards, I might look for (other country's) year in lit. pages that might have the same template. Thank you for all your help and feedback. See ya around.

1057:, It is far from clear why Tortle might be blocked for removing constructive messages from their talk page. I do not see anything in the blocking policy that justifies such action, or, for that matter your warning. I am confused, enlighten me. Cheers, • • • 628:

Tortle, your enthusiasm for Knowledge is clearly high, which is great. However, for someone who has been editing Knowledge for a week, and under this name for four days, this enthusiasm is clearly outstripping your knowledge of various Knowledge processes.

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You graduate from high school or university, you become employed, and you build a house for yourself, possibly with some help from your friends and neighbors. You dwell in the house for several years with your spouse and children, and the house is very

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Thank you so much, I stopped work on that for a couple days to work on other things that came up and now it's off my chest. I actually removed it from the reward board because it didnt seem like anyone was interested. Ill get you your barnstars

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What's the main purpose in your edits to Knowledge? I ask because there are extraordinarily many of them, and a quick look suggests that the only improvements they make are reversions of damage that you have previously inflicted. --

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Sorry about the harsh response, I thought you were a vandal and not acting out of good faith. But users do have the right to almost fullly control their their talk page. Wish we could meet under better circumstances, see you around.

1444:". It wasn't to do with maintaining project pages (those prefixed by Knowledge:) or improving the site in general. There're in the region of 800 pages that come under the-WikiProject-formerly-named-Knowledge, see category 2322:, by which articles can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly-defined criteria, then it may be soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are: 2103:, by which articles can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly-defined criteria, then it may be soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are: 2008:, by which articles can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly-defined criteria, then it may be soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are: 1913:, by which articles can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly-defined criteria, then it may be soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are: 1802:, by which articles can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly-defined criteria, then it may be soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are: 2417:

Uh-huh. After you have finished using automation to fix the damage that you inflicted yourself, please take a break from using any automation until you have made a good collection of substantive contributions. --

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I would prefer not to make a move after building multiple sub pages and already using the name for a template and in writing on some pages. I will look for pages linking to the old one though and try to fix them.

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for reclosing the conversation. Maybe involved users shouldnt close conversations that theyre involved in but they are still allowed to and undoing that is uncalled for as if theres an issue, they can face it

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The other option is to follow the "year in poetry" line which reads as: "This article presents lists of historical events in poetry during 2012. For the historical context see Poetry in the early 21st century."

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The main purpose of my general edits are to improve wikipedia but recently i incorrectly moved a wikiproject and edited numerous pages and now that I know my actions were incorrect, I am reversing the damage

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And thanks for helping out at the wikiproject directory, Ill look intkt he categorization thing tomorrow for you. I recently was editing the page though to fit in with the directory project I just completed.

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I understand. I just want to see what other people think, because some people might not like the old project's new name. I just want to prevent any possible future disagreements over a simple page title.

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I dont appreciate the tone and anyone is allowed to use twinkle so I dont appreciate the demand. But I dont like twinkle anyway because it makes my pages load slower and I dont really have a use for it.

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and knocked out all of 1600-1799. I caught some categorization issues and other minor problems while I was there as a bonus! Let me know if things look good or if there are any other areas left to do.

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Accept proposals or requests for new projects, and assist in their creation; or, alternately, point those making the requests to the appropriate existing projects when applicable ones already exist.

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Hello Tortle, I'd come here to say the same thing as User:CabbagePotato. WikiProject Knowledge was "dedicated to improving Knowledge's coverage of itself", which meant content (generally articles)

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with a new business name, and that he has previous experience operating another construction business with a different business name. Finally, he convinces you to accept his offer of a new roof.

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It probably would have been a good idea in the beginning but now its pesonally easier for me to clean up the mess and finish it. I just finished moving the defunct one to improving wikipeidia.

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I am happy to read that you don't like Twinkle, and look forward to a small number of carefully thought out, substantive, neutral, reliably sourced, and verifiable additions to Knowledge. --

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Sorry for the lack of response. I have been unwell the past few days. I'd prefer: "This article presents lists of historical events and publications in Australian literature during 1940."

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I saw your post on the Reward Board about redoing the lede sentence for all of these articles. I'm all about some consistency for that type of article so I did a bit of work today using

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Please be sure to provide a summary of every edit you make, even if you write only the briefest of summaries. The summaries are very helpful to people browsing an article's history.

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You have also opened a Good Article review and closed a move request. These are not things new editors should be doing before gaining a great deal more experience (months, not days).

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and tagged it as "inactive", while attempting to create a new WikiProject Knowledge with different focus from the original one. (The old WikiProject focused on Knowledge-related

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We're so happy you wanted to play to learn, as a friendly and fun way to get into our community and mission. I think these links might be helpful to you as you get started.

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Far be it for me to challenge people who take the time to review articles for GA, but in this case I think it was a hasty promotion. The article, at best, is C-class.

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Thank you for offering me the choice to formally join the WikiProject, but I think I'll pass for now, since I don't tend to focus my edits in any specific areas here.

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made a phony message. You had no right to remove everything from my archive and put it right back on my talk page. You are harassing me and I might report you.

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I suppose I was late in suggesting it, but I think it would be helpful just to make sure others are accepting of the new title. I think I'll go ahead with an

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The best tips are to read the guidlines for editing on the Knowledge, and start editing. I would also suggest asking an admin for any advanced information.

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Tortle, WikiProjects are collaborative projects that are organized by groups of editors. You should have posted a proposal for your new WikiProject at the

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Moving it again, to "Improving Knowledge" is worse (sorry!)—it has nothing to do with improving Knowledge except for improving Knowledge's coverage of

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To minimize possible confusion, I would like to suggest a name change (move): I think the new WikiProject should be moved to something like

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I posted the above after reverting your closure, which you restored, so I've removed it again. It should be closed by someone uninvolved.

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Nominators who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article prior to a nomination.

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This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period.

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I can move it to something else for you that makes more sense. I did do this in a pretty weird way but Im just gonna fix it.

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I notice you have already moved some of the old WikiProject's pages. To be honest, it looks like your WikiProject has

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more so since you have not done significant work on any of the articles. I will also be mentioning your actions at

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Many of the pages that I am adding this to have an events section and since all the pages are from the past (ex.

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Im already working on the links and its going to be fixed by tomorrow so I dont see the point at this point.

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I don't know really, as I was never aware of this rule until now. And was unaware that Tortle was archiving.

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I think youre right, I might finish the rest up with Bmcln1's lead, Ill look into it. Ill see you around.

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shortly, since in addition to the ten nominations there are already issues raised with your first review.

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No Tortle, Sarah is right you shouldn't close discussions about yourself. Don't thank me that much. --

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is a good tool for checking if the references in the article are accessible on the Internet.

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On your first day as an autoconfirmed user, you have already nominated ten articles in the

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I figured out what Tortle was trying to do - revert his own past tweak to a banner. --

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If you would like to archive your discussions, you can install a bot on your talk page

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Hi Tortle, it's best not to close discussions about yourself on AN/I. Many thanks,

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topic: articles about this encyclopedia. Nothing is unfixable though, don't worry.

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These do not cover historical events, as your lead suggests, only literary ones.

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