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Afd for Jan 15, 2006 (yesterday) and Jan 16, 2006, (today) both have over 150 articles nominated. I am not sure whether this is meaningful or not, and I have made not attempt to determine how many are hoaxes. This also does not reflect corrections of false information in other articles. Is that even
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who was discouraged by all the "F---You" graffiti he found and the hopelessness felt that although he worked fervently at eradicating it, undoubtedly even more was being "created" faster than he could get rid of it. Fortunately, WP seems blessed with the opposite ratio, or at least a balance. I also
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The vandals must not realize that they can't even get 15 minutes of notoriety out of their defacing of entries. I can't understand what the payoff is for these people. What is the fracking point? Unfortunately, I also can't get the disgusting image out of my head of a drooling moron in soiled adult
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Sorry for the delay. Nope I tried that but it still crashes trying to locate the same file. I found a solution thugh. This would make the game take a very long time to finish but it still works. I save on every screen I visit, alough this may lead me to die a bit too many times or make the game
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ISBN 1-800-325-02-0. If you read only the screenplay, I hope you can see it as I do. My opinion is that it is highly superior to the aired version. If you worship
Roddenberry, you may have trouble seeing that he was consistently distorting reality (as I put it politely when I mean "lying like a
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I would like to see the question asked what has happened to these people, that, for them, makes "recognizing" satire harder? Is there any idea of what "recognizes" satire, or irony? What other functionality is operative in any surprizing way? The way, perhaps physicians look for symptoms.
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long-enduring flaws in articles typically only survive because the articles go unread. A silent lie buried deep in dusty text is a wrong, but a minimal one, thankfully. Beyond that, this place does have room for improvement. We need editors of your caliber to help make sure that happens.
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I'm here to return greetings (on my way out the door for vacation, actually.) I note with sadness your discontent with
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It appears that fifth and sixth degree burns were used in the TV series ""The X Files"" and someone may believe that they are real. This does not appear to be the case, folks. I can still find no references to 5/6th degree that does not either refer back to this article or to X Files.
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fucking rug"), while my friend Harlan was "telling it like it is" which HE has never failed to do. Read with an open mind, my dear Xoloz, and you may find your opinions altered. If not, I certainly hope our friendship can survive.
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I had no problem with the game all those years ago; however, it may not play nice with your current operating system. It was a DOS based game, so it might help to tweak the DOS settings if you are using Windows.
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Just did some research and made some minor edits to Battle of Bloody Marsh including removing siesta reference you questioned. Still a stub but better, I think. -WCFrancis 23:59, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
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article is: "Wastewater is any water that has been adversely affected in quality by any anthropogenic influence." which is true but an awfully high-falutin' was of saying "used water". --
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Shouldn't there be a link to this story on the Main page? It would reduce the potential for perception that Knowledge is hiding this or not taking it seriously.
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