337:. I have no knowledge of the particular site in question, but it may be worth pointing out that landing points are usually determined by the submarine topology, rather than ease of access at the land-side. If, for example, the shortest distance between Hoy and the main island is terminated by sheer sea-cliffs, those would not be the easiest place to land a cable - on the other hand, if Scad Head has a gently shelving beach, it could be perfect. If there is a path from sea-level to the main part of the land, it's usually possible to bury a cable in that path - at worst, you send in people with pick-axes and shovels if you can't get heavy equipment there. You are quite right, though - it could simply be a case of re-use of exisitng facilities being the easist thing of all. Regards.
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not descend into point-of-view based argumentation. You may well be quite correct in your opinions on DAB, but think of writing the article as an exercise in convincing a nit-picky sceptic who is unbiased, but will examine the minutiae of your argument and sources. It is no fun at all to have your carefully crafted text and deeply held opinions modified and attacked, but that's what you agree to when submitting - below every edit box is the text "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it.". I get irritated by it at times, but normally just take a break and come back later. After all, I won't care in 500 years time. Regards,
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temporary situation. Thereafter I had started to make some improvements, and as I wanted to save the already modified lead, I found JimWae's version had appeared for the third time, causing an edit conflict. Given the choice of throwing away my proper edits or copying my version in the 'top' window that appears upon an edit conflict, the choice was simple (one can always revert to something that was saved, can't one; whereas I try to improve articles by looking for sources before reinstating some statement or by adding something new thus I do not like to risk losing it and it deserves to become saved so that others can see it). That still makes 0 reverts at that time.
2175:- then your position will be adequately documented in a neutral point of view manner. I presume/assume that the Kenyan and Japanese national bodies are experts in reading and contributing to ISO standards, so they really ought to know if something is normative or not. I agree with you that the article is a bit of a dog's breakfast at present, but that doesn't mean parts should simply be excised - a rewrite, preserving all the verified facts could/should be undertaken, but doing it in a manner that does not bring accusations of bias would be difficult. Once OOXML is accepted or rejected as an ISO standard, I'm sure the article will improve radically.
1412:, so some way of making the cable system's article name unique was required. If you look at the category in which the cable systems are entered, it then becomes very messy, so in the interests of readability of the category, every cable system was suffixed with "(cable system)", with redirects. SEA-ME-WE 4 has (or should have) redirects from SMW4, SMW-4, SEA-ME-WE 4, SEA-ME-WE4. Where possible, the article should be titled with the official name of the cable system (where that can be determined), suffixed with (cable system). It also makes life easier when searching for a cable system using the Knowledge (XXG) search function. Hope that helps.
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like me saying better is point-of-view when it's actually on a scale of much better, better, similar, worse. In point of fact, reading the reference, we'd do better to refer to the papers referenced by Dr. Robinson - specifically "Soulodre, G. A.; Grusec, T.; Lavoie, M.; and
Thibault, L. (1998).; Subjective Evaluation of State-of-the-Art Two-Channel Audio Codecs.; Journal of the Audio Engineering Society, vol. 46, no. 3, Mar., pp. 164-177.", and maybe using the quality scale described as " 1. Imperceptible 2. Not annoying 3. Slightly annoying 4. Annoying 5. Very Annoying" (having read the paper, you'll know what I mean)
1453:) Non-IUPAC formulae can be used (and often are) but reference works are always based on the IUPAC names, with separate index entries (redirects) for non-IUPAC names. Similarly, Knowledge (XXG) benefits from having standard and consistent naming conventions. A good example here is the naming convention in use for London Underground stations, whereby the article name is the offical name of the station, suffixed by "tube station", which effectively differentiates the station from the area in which it is found or other ambiguous uses of the name. See
1118:. Note that it can be a disaster if nobody is killed. I do not consider the London bombings to be a disaster - they were a deliberate, premeditated set of events which were not disastrous in their effect - other than perhaps on people's civil liberties in the UK. If you feel the change I made was wrong, feel free to put it back in - I won't revert you. In my view, using terms stronger than is justified debases the language. Your view could, of course, be different - and it's a good thing that we have a diversity of views. Regards,
1733:, because the direct link you've provided doesn't provide a breakdown of the bit rates used around the world, whereas the page linked to on my website does. You've also removed the comment about music stations being transmitted in mono, and in my experience people think is a very serious issue. And I disagree with what you say about there being a trade-off due to FM's reception quality at high speed, because that doesn't take into account people listening at home.
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it is. I now feel like a maniac, with my usually against-the-tide comments and votes in various areas. Every once in a while, someone tries to pat me on the head and go, yes, I know, it can be frustrating, but you'll get over it. Really! (Sorry, I'm not trying to commiserate with you or anything. Just recognizing your fine tagging proposal, and also the fact that you're trying to get it noticed. This is not (meant to be) a pat on the head. :) --
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273:! I hope (FOR YOUR SAKE!) that you were just kidding!! (maybe you were just drowsy!) The problem is, forget about nations different from the U.S. or the UK for a moment. Let's face the facts---we can't put Canadian English, Australian English, etc. on the same level as British and American. (Let alone non-native English speakers.) If you didn't yet, please read
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1335:(In the case of Microsoft vs. Open Source pages I think the problem is particularly acute because by definition "one side" of the story is unpaid and thus does not fall under the COI guidelines -- if we were to ban employees, say, from editing pages, we would end up with a net POV slanted towards open source.)
1752:. The Knowledge (XXG) attribution guidelines mean that referring to your own web-site as a source is not really on, even if it has (in your opinion) good information in it. Sorry, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. If you can refer to a good source that is not controlled by you, that would be best.
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hAl - just linking to the national bodies replies is not sufficient to bring out the salient points of their submissions - it is reasonable to add important summary points in the article, of which the Kenyan objection is one such point. Your opinion is that their objection is incorrect, I reserve my
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as basic transforms, and the reasons why they are used. Flopping is used a great deal more than flipping, for obvious reasons - but there are still many photographers that prefer to work with flipped images for composition purposes so that they are less likely to be affected by the content of images
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Featured List status at present, and Lord McIntosh is proving a bit of a problem for me, as I can't find out (a) when he graduated (I assume 1954, after matriculation in 1951, but I need a reference) (b) what his degree subject was! Who's Who doesn't help me and nothing shows up on Google of any
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I just looked at the sites which reference those links as you can see in the google example. It seems a bit of a strategy of the anti OOXML lobby to get their readers to massivly go after the ISO committees as they did during the 30 days contradictions period (even publisihing the mailadresen of the
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All responses are already mentioned and referenced together in the critisism. Why seems this more important to you ???? This one seems disputable and it's source is very dubious. It isn't verifiable in an independant source like a vendor wh o has problems implemting OOXML because of these references
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How is it "fairly clear" that IBM wrote the Kenyan response? That is a strong accusation that needs good backup. Author names in metadata are not fairly clear evidence of this. Suggestive of sloppy document handling procedures, certainly, but not clear evidence of authorship. I myself have used old
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All I did was go through the
Wohnort DAB website and count up the number of stations at different bit rate levels in each country and tabulate the results. The reference is merely backing up the claim that "the vast majority of stations" are using low bit rate levels. You don't need expert knowledge
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are the same use a scheme where each byte has to have its start and end 'flagged' - the so-called start- and stop- bits, and sometimes add a parity bit as well - so to transport an eight bit byte over a low speed modem, you may have to send one (or even two) start bits, a parity bit, the eight bits
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Hi hAl - "It seems those sites are only used by the anti ooxml lobby to influence ISO standardisation" - I don't think that is correct - the ANSI site seems to be receiving rather a lot of form letters in support of OOXML, and I have deliberately not commented on that, despite the fact that some of
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You say "All responses are already mentioned and referenced together in the critisism, was slightly misleading". No it wasn't. I was just wrong about the location of the mentioning of the raised objections and the reference link. It is in the standardization section. So now there are objectiones to
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So saying "All responses are already mentioned and referenced together in the critisism." was slightly misleading - as the late Kurt
Vonnegut would say, "So, it goes". The point is that whether or not Kenya are correct, the objection was made, which is noteworthy, and referenceable to unimpeachable
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You are seeing conspiracy where it could easily be explained by incompetence. It is not unreasonable for national body members to solicit input from people far and wide, and such input need not be public. It would be good if it were, but we can't have everything. It would be unreasonable to expect
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Well, that is your prerogative. Working with people (and educating them) is, in my opinion, preferable. You do not need to accept demonstrably untrue assertions in the article. The trick is showing they are (verifiably, from good (perhaps unimpeachable) sources) that the assertion is untrue, and
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Referring to your own website is either allowed or it is not, and if it is not then provide a reference to where it says so, otherwise the reference to the page I'm referring to should stay, because the reference was to back up the claim that the vast majority of stations in the countries mentioned
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Hi. I'm not having a go at you, because you don't have an axe to grind here, and you've been fair up to now, but I have to say that I disagree with some of the changes you've made in the DAB page intro. Firstly, I think it's wrong to say that DAB only sounds worse than FM on a hi-fi system, because
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Hello, I thank you for you concern that I am a minor and that I am sharing this, but I do not particularly mind giving some personal information. I have my reasons, but I do not really feel like telling them, as it would take too long and you can easily disagree. Please respect my choice to share
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Great and simple idea. It could also be used to filter for stubs, POV tags, clean-up tags,... But there are a lot of...ownership issues with many things around, it seems. I accidentally went behind the curtain last
November, from my normal editing pastime, and what a turbulent and territorial place
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So do you know in what instances there are 10 bits in a byte? I think I might have incorrectly changed a couple of the entries, because I'm not entirely sure if there are start/stop bits used for internal computer peripheral communications like SAS and SATA. It doesn't make sense that SAS would be
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The BSI site is open for public reading, not writing, and makes instructive reading. I think they are working towards making constructive suggestions about OOXML. I agree that the comments submitted to ANSI appear somewhat partisan - but perhaps the low quality of the majority of submissions may
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added the objections in - that way you are liable to get text that is not biased towards an ODF-supporters view of the world. You may see that I've been trying to get it recognised that Sun's OpenDocument Patent
Statement is not as clear-cut as people assume, but making little headway, apart from
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be renamed to end in '(footballer)'?" - Yes. Or probably "(association football player)" to indicate the difference with
American Football players. The policy you reference also says "Following consistent conventions in both naming and linking makes it more likely that links will lead to the right
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Hi, I closed up the MFDs and speedied the now-transwikied subpages you had for the lists of
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Flopping can be regarded as a basic image transform, along with flipping (a mirror image across a horizontal axis) and cropping, all of which can easily be done physically with a photographic negative in a darkroom. More sophisticated transforms are usually achieved via digital image manipulation.
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Thanks, more or less same thoughts as I had. I asked around in telecom newsgroup at the time just in case there was someone with local experience. There are more accessible beaches suitable to bring a cable ashore on shorter routes. I must put the pictures on my website. The cable comes up the
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Still foolin' around. Darn it, this spat is way time- & energy-consuming. This morning I was supposed to do much more than bickering with Mark the Aussie---we're quite a duo, huh? If you followed our wrangle (and if you did, that would mean you were not that busy :-)... well, don't tell me you
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Hey WLD! I honestly didn't know that it was microwave... I saw that TBL went from
Albania to Italy and assumed it followed the cable that exists between those two. Do you have a source that explains the microwave capacity? I would be most interested... and we can remove from the sub cable list. I
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Your revert is well intentioned as well. However, some of your edits in this article do not follow conventions of Knowledge (XXG). For example, the external link titled "The first company in the world to produce reflective road markers." should be labeled as the company to which it points. The
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So it's differences in sound quality. Rather than the bald 'better', why not say "better, as described in the study documented in comments submitted to OFCOM by Dr David J M Robinson, Department of Electronic Systems Engineering, University of Essex,on 9th July 2002. A bit OTT, but stops people
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No, it wouldn't be simpler - the category listing becomes extremely messy that way. It is not simply a disambiguation issue - it is also about having consistent article names - and consistency in use is an extremely important feature of any reference work. Redirects from non-canonical names to a
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Would it be simpler if the cables which need disambiguation, have disambiguation, and the ones which don't need it, don't have it? Knowledge (XXG) disambiguation conventions are standard across the whole project - there have been cases in the past where individual WikiProject have unsuccessfully
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Noticed your interest in "Cable landing points". I wonder if you come across the site at Scad Head on Hoy in the Orkneys? Five cables come ashore to a small hut near an old WWII gun battery. I asked around after visiting the site for any information on the site but did not get any satisfactory
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and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the
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JimWae's version handles the fanatic Christians' many viewpoints comprehensively and inappropriately from the first part of the lead onwards, while pro-BCE viewpoints are largely destroyed. That violates the WP NPOV policy that should outweigh the 3-revert rule. But usually admins are not paying
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I noticed that with a few of his maps versus the actual carrier/provider detail. I go with what the carrier/provider says. When I get a lot of this put in place, you'll have to let me know an email or such to contact you, if you are interested in the data. Put together from public sources, it is
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I like the BSI link a whole lot more, allthough when I saw that the first two issues it raised are about changing the name of the format and rewriting the whole spec based on the ODF spec which was like reading grokdoc I was not to impressed by it. But it also does raise a good number of content
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The critisism about the wmf and clipboard format used to be amongst the critisims in the critisism section however when a cleanup was made in the list to keep more or less serieus issues as a less relevant issues I think it was removed as there wasn't any serieus party stating you require those
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I made a large concession by changing something to a version that I thought was untrue (i.e. moved the version towards what he wanted) just to stop the reversion war, and that nutter just changed it to his preferred version yet again. So I'm afraid he burnt his bridges, and I'm having absolutely
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page (a guideline I'd never noticed before in years of editing) and tried to make some edits to make this clear. These were quickly reverted, but there is now at least a discussion of sorts on the talk page. The basic problem is that the editors on that page believe pretty much that such editors
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Hey there, thanks for the note. You had me worried that my UTF8 processing had a bug in it, but it turns out though that all I did was turn the HTML entity for that symbol into the UTF8 for symbol. The incorrect symbol was already being used by the editor who added it in the first place. Cheers,
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Note that my edition of the Shorter Oxford Dictionary gives the phrase as "Grand Panjandrum", but allows "Great Panjandrum" as also used. I've not found definitively which word Foote used, and I'm not sure there is an original text anyone can go back to - they will all be reports of the Macklin
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I had clearly declared on the talk page that I intended to restore JimWae's edits gradually, but that such could not be done starting from his version because of the numerous broken paragraphs having made comparing versions from the article history impossible. Hence my first 'revert' was only a
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If you're annoyed with me because I reverted something of yours last week, the reason I reverted it was because you had changed that Norwegian nutter's intro, and his intro is nonsense, so I felt that it was better to revert the whole lot. It was nothing against what you'd put, but his intro is
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Hey there WLD! Been a while since we chatted. Yeah - I didn't know there was a way to do that, and didn't want the bad links to be out there for people (like me) to click on and not be able to use. I guess if I can see an example of how to label them, I will do so (to label them as formerly
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Well, patience is a virtue. If you can demonstrate to admins that the other editor is being stubborn to the point of unreasonableness, blocks are possible. The main thing is to keep your cool. Violating the three-revert rule doesn't go down well. I'm sure the article can be improved with
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It is not worth putting particular mentioning of this repsonse in the licensing section. all objections is already referencend in the critism section. Lifting out a pretty udbieus one like this seems not called for. there is absolutly not a single shred of other independant (as in non-IBM
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That's your opinion - define 'better'. Someone with 'cloth ears' may well not perceive a difference. If you can define 'better' in measurable terms, then link to a verifiable source that shows the measured difference between FM and DAB, that's how it should be in the article. 'Better' is
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Can you see a good reason why a Kenyan official would have the names of a German IBM employee who opposed OOXML in the German DIN iso national body and a Malaysian anti-OOXML opensource blogger in it's reponse on OOXML? documents which were not publicly publishedon the internet. Come on,
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OK - sorry - me not understanding. The transwiki was a bit of a rush when the pages were originally ProDed/AfDed. I wasn't familiar with the arcana of Userspace, main page space, transwiki-ing and so forth, so it was a steep learning curve. I'm sure I still don't understand most of it.
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which makes it clear that self-published sources are not acceptable. To make clear - if you have published in a recognised, peer reviewed academic journal (say), you can cite yourself in that, but not a self-published leaflet, website, or blog. I hope that makes things clear for you.
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Thanks - I've been trying to educate the original author in Attribution and no Original reasearch , but making no headway, so I'm reviewing their entire history. I'm not even interested in Texas history! Unfortunately, there's lots of articles to review and try and salvage. Regards,
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But the normative/non-normative issue is not mentioned in the criticism section. It is not disputable that Kenya have raised such an objection. The basis of the objection may be arguable - but that is a different point. And yes, the Japanese point should be raised in the article.
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You are right that I have no particular axe to grind. However, I see many reverts in the DAB article, which are not really improving the quality, so I'm trying to break out of that cycle. I disagree strongly with the use of weasel words, so I'm happy with declarative statements,
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It can be proven that Jimwae very intendedly used a technical process of eliminating proper and very notable sources and the statements these had corroborated in a well camouflaged manner, as I partially demonstrated on the article's talk page. That intend makes those edits
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OK, I'm adding my tupp'orth to the discussion. I sincerely hope 69.73.191.92 does as well. I must admit I'm heartily tired of the edit warring that goes on around OOXML and ODF, and I'm looking forward to when the standardisation process is over (whatever the outcome).
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the blogs seem to do just that. Ideally, I'd have links to all the national bodies methods of soliciting input on this topic (maybe even as a sub-article) - unfortunately, I don't have that. Just linking to it in the article without comment strikes me to be neutral.
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When searching for comments pages like that it show that those pages are only linked to from blogs of strong anti-ooxml sites like IBM's Rob Weirs blog, Grokdoc, noooxml.org and the Opendocumentfellowship who just want their readers to put in objections to ooxml.
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members of a national body to work in a sealed box, with no input from outside. There is no doubt lobbying from many interested parties, so if someone decides to use input, fine. It's obviously preferable for it all to be open and above board, and I wish it were.
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enough attention to a well-camouflaged POV turning of an article and only count 'reverts', I know. On his talk page, JimwWae had declared to rather prefer the BCE-CE notation, but his edits show he does much more than editing from the devil's advocate's viewpoint.
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I have never heard the term "flopping an image" before; a Google search for "flip an image" vs. "flop an image" (18,200 vs. 56), among other similar searches seems to confirm this. In fact, "flip an image horizontally" has more hits (187) than "flop an image".
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I have never heard the term "flopping an image" before; a Google search for "flip an image" vs. "flop an image" (18,200 vs. 56), among other similar searches seems to confirm this. In fact, "flip an image horizontally" has more hits (187) than "flop an image".
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to Knowledge (XXG)'s inline reference format - I see you've put references in some other articles, and it would be good if you could use the format as in Vince's Bridge - it should make things easier! For more infoormation on the referencing method, see here:
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I wan't aware at the time when I first put the article together, but became aware later. I would argue against merging, otherwise, I'd have done so myself, but I'll try and find time to put together a cogent argument why on the article's discussion page.
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position. However, the existence of the objection is verifiable, and as I have already pointed out in an edit comment, Knowledge (XXG) runs on verifiability, not truth. If you can reference a reliable source that contends Kenya is wrong, then do so
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had already reverted the inclusion of the NoOOXML link three times when I gave the warning. I am very well aware of the 3RR policy, and will not revert the article again today. I am always happy to discuss issues on the talk page. Best regards,
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I didn't know about the nor ruling, so I will publish the research on my personal web pages and x-ref from wikipedia. I must admit I was baffled and annoyed at the loss of my changes, but I now understand and apologise for using up your time.
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It's also best not to refer to other editors as 'nutters' - there is a policy of assuming good faith - we really ought to be able to work together to produce a neutral article (detailing differences of opion as necessary). If the
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I'd say to put the table into the article, document your method (as above), and give the references (already done). Still classifiable as original research, but would require a particularly obsessive admin/editor to remove that.
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Hey - thanks for the kudos on my maps. As far as the sub cable maps - consider it done, in between my military training (this weekend) and studying for my MBA (ongoing). I can probably get something up in the next two weeks. :)
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No - I just happen to live in the vicinity of their head office in Isleworth. When I looked up who they were on the Internet, I noticed there wasn't a Knowledge (XXG) entry, so created one. It's not very detailed, I'm afraid.
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It's not my specialty either, but from what I understand taking a capture of the edit history log and posting it on the talk page of the transwikied page seems to satisfy attribution requirements. For an example, see
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place.", and having some article titles suffixed and others not is not consistent. Redirects are cheap, so having an article name without the suffix as a redirect to the canonical name is a clear solution. Regards,
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method of naming organic chemicals: there are strict rules laid down about how to unambiguously name organic molecules, which lead to quite unwieldy canonical names, however, they are agreed and unambiguous. (See:
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If you could please put in your opinion at the talk page; we would like to have as many native-English speakers participate as possible. A certain user wants to revert back to a particular national POV.
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No problem. Sorry if I came across as defensive. Victim of too many edit wars already. I probably need to do some major work on image transfoms anyway - there really ought to be an article on each of
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ISO members. I'll leave the link in but I do have a lot of doubts about the commments that come in trought these sites (also the pro-ooxml comments as I expect those to be influenced by MS a lot..)
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Well, "Great" in the heading here was just due to my lack of paying attention. I'm glad you pointed it out. Indeed, it's nice to know someone who has the OED (even the Shorter) at hand. Cheers!
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Also, in the section "Pedestrian Crossing Studs," it is not clean to include links to a URL except as a citation. The link should be footnoted as a reference, not included as a "see: http..."
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I am sorry, but I feel that the same warning should be applied to you. As far as I see, some people have been deleting that link, and as I see these external links sections, I would refer to
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It seem pretty clear the references Kenya mentiones are not normative references for OOXML. Also it seem fairly clear that Kenya has not written the objections reponse but IBM has.
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beach encased in steel jackets bolted on to it, short sections about a foot or so long to allow a bit of movement. Not sure if these are standard or just used on military cables.
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Good day! I'm working a bit of cleanup of Samuel Foote's article. I noticed that you added the section on the Great Panjandrum. Can you provide a source for this? Thanks!
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Due to the many AfDs which are initiated to enforce this policy and due to the resistance to such deletion by defenders of the glossaries, I have started a discussion at
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requirement. If you disagree and deprod this, please explain how it meets them on the talk page here in the form of "This article meets criteria A and B because..." and
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on en-wiki), but this is one of the most prominent articles in which this issue is of significance. Given your experience, your input would be very much appreciated.
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