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1131:: "Verifiable" in this context means that any reader must be able to check that material added to Knowledge has already been published by a reliable source, because Knowledge does not publish original thought or original research." Other people can verify the Yankees' uniform by looking at it, but they cannot verify these people as fans because you have not provided a source. Seeing if certain people are fans is not "common sense" like looking at a uniform. Who knows? Maybe someone was wearing a Yankee cap because s/he lost a bet, but the person is actually a Red Sox fan. "The threshold for inclusion in Knowledge is 694:. This link in particular will take you to the baseball Wikicity. As you'll see it's similar to Knowledge, but my hope is this will allow baseball fans to do more and different things, like reporting on games, in depth statistics, create mulitple pages for pictures, and whatever else baseball fans care to create. You've done such great work on Knowledge I was hoping you could help me get this baseball Wikicity off the ground. Please tet me know what you think either at my talk page, or you can email me at terry@wikia.com. Thanks! 759:'s talk page last month: Are the categories for members of World Series champions really necessary? I can't help thinking it would be more economical to simply include the roster of the champion team in the article for that year's World Series (most of the WS articles could use some serious expansion). There's already something of a glut of categories on some articles, including those for baseball players with numerous All-Star appearances. (Between All-Star games and WS champions alone, 477:"Titles" is a good idea, I will change that. I see someone added "Playoff apearances" to the pages this morning, I do not have a problem with those, it is just a matter of when is too much too much? Truthfully, though, if you ask me, all you have to do is add up the championships and you can derive the # of playoff appearances that way - it is not like the NFL or NBA or NHL where you kind of lose track (just my opinion, not really rejecting it, just skeptical). 1117:

the team's high-profile supporters. Third, it's not "original research." It's common sense. Just as the section on the design of the Yankee uniform doesn't contain any references (why should there be when it's patently visible), no references are needed to document a matter of common and/or visible knowledge such as whether Person A is a fan of the Yankees. A cite is not required of every single sentence uttered on Knowledge.-

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with Geographic and Divisional rivalries was both NPOV and inspired. Divisional rivalries do exist. Good examples would be Anaheim and Oakland right now. And the rest of the divisional teams invariably come into contention vs each other when they are in competition for 1st. Geographic rivalries for instance SF and Oakland also exist as both team compete on field for bragging rights and off field for revenue, fans, etc...

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fans, prior to games. And many of them such as the A's and Giants have been spatting over more then just on field performance, but revenue, territorial rights etc... for year. Any rivalries listed beyond that are fancruft of the worst degree. No major competitive (either on or off field) matchups exist outside of geography or division in MLB (and indeed any other sport save USC-Notre Dame in NCAAF).

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place if we have a picture of the logo? That has always bothered me a little, I think it may have been added right when the pages were created in 2002 just to put some meat on the page; I usually do not see a description of the logo when there is a picture, but this is just me thinking out loud, maybe it is usually descibed and I just never really noticed. What do you think?

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I am kind of thinking now that maybe anything that I left off of the infobox (team colors, team mascot, playoff appearance, etc.) we could stick at the botom of the page under the potpourri heading "Quick facts"; that might keep people from cluttering up the infobox and also encourage them to add all

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Actually, wrong on both counts. It's and unwanted section by YOU and one other person. Myself, plus two others on prior occassions, have included it. So you're actually in the minority. Second, try taking a look at the articles on any of EPL teams--just about all of them have a section detailing

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significant until they are finalized (such as at the end of a season). Milestones, such as a pitcher's 300th win, can be put on articles because those achievements are final and significant; the date of the accomplishment will not change and neither will the fact that the accomplishment was reached.

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My suggestion is to revert it and to leave a message on the Aeros' or the user's talk page that shows the consensus against having current records and stats. Minor league rosters would fall under "current" as they change so frequently and would become outdated quickly should the fan stop editing the

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Not sure what to do about this, but our diehard resident Akron fan just put the hard-coded roster back on this page and removed the links to the team site. He left the rest of my expansions, but still. The idea was to eliminate the need to update the page every two days. Maybe he gets his jollies

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Lets use yours since the discussion has already begun here. I've read those links, but most of them refer to the "rivalries" created by that shadowman a while back. Those were definitely POV and by and large made up (Citrus Derby anyone?). However I believe the way many of the articles were reworked

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Good luck. That anonymous character that posted them might come back. As an alternative, for teams that I know something about (i.e Chicago and Minnesota), I have substituted "Traditional Rivals" and "Divisional Rivals", both of which are, respectively, verifiable and obvious. A lot of that "main

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Regarding the team colors, and using Oakland as an extreme, since the infobox lists the history of the information, I am afraid the infobox could become rather lengthy since Oakland has a rather "colorful" history; I was thinking that that might actually warrant a paragraph or two for each team in

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If we stick those in the infobox, do you have an idea how they should be fit? My logic is we have to draw the line some where to keep it from being too long. Logo designs would not be too hard to fit in there right under the logo maybe(?), but if you think about it, it is really needed in the first

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Yeah I saw that. I'll refrain from readding them to any other articles for the time being, at least under rivalries. I might put "Divisional Competition" and "Geographic Competition" as you suggest on any further articles until the debate comes to some resolution. I don't think it had nearly enough

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Also I realize there has been some difficulty in determining what constitutes a rivalry. Divisional rivalries exist, you obviously think so per your wish to rename the term but keep the info above. Geographic rivalries are a certainty. Many of them have names, are advertised by the press, teams and

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I believe that stem from the misuse by that phantom rival man earlier this summer. He created so many "rivalries" that he's tainted the word here. It's not a POV word in general. All great "competitions" that exist without any question or debate such as Sanford-Cal, NYY-Boston, Ohio St-Michagan are

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the body of the article. If we start listing "current" items, I am afraid people will start listing current TV stations, current owner, current payroll (just look at the mess on the BoSox page); that is why I was proposing to quietly shove all of that to the bottom of the page. What do you think?--

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If you want to keep using "Divisional Rivals" and "Geographic Rivals", I say, (under protest - it's not something I'll like) go ahead. It's better than "Main Rivals" and is something that should be handled with extreme care, though. There some famous rivalries, like Yankees-Red Sox, but others are

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The only problem I would have with "Teams in the same division" is that it takes away from the fact that they are rivals who are competing for a common prize. The word rival is not a POV term unless it's being misused by creating rivalries that don't exist. For instance on the Red Sox page someone

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I don't like having "current" records and stats on Knowledge. They become outdated too quickly. Knowledge should not have to rely on a few people to keep this type of information accurate. Records and stats up to last season should be as recent as they come because these types of information for

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page this morning, so I went ahead and did it. I've been using this same "outline" for other teams in the Eastern League (I'm about halfway through). Feel free to take a look. I need to expound on their stadium a little (I've been describing the actual design and "neat features" on the other

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Hello. This is really straightforward stuff that I shouldn't have to come to your talk page to remind you of: Don't delete other people's talk page comments. While it is, of course, acceptable to move discussions to archive pages when the page grows large, but it's certainly not needed on

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Hi, saw you took the BP link out because it required registration. Is that a WP guideline for links, because, if so, I'm unfamiliar with it. At a minimum, we should incorporate some the facts in that very good BP article into the Y-RS rivalry wikiarticle. Thoughts?

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would end up with 25 categories, in addition to another 15 already on his page.) I don't think it's advantageous to have that many categories on an article; at some point, it gets difficult to wade through them, and individual categories become easy to miss.

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I don't think it would be very helpful to a normal person to register just to see one page, especially if a user is not looking for much or not thinking of using the site long term. It's inconvenient, and too many sites require registration today.

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has a history unlike any other sport. It has been played in countless countries throughout the decades, and it will undoubtedly continue play for many more. On this eve, some the finest players the sport has to offer will take the field at the

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Hi, sources for the Mercora entry can be found in two locations: a) the Mercora corporate website listed in External links, and b) the ABC News and PC Magazine articles listed in Press. Please let me know if you require more details.

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it exist?) for all the minor league teams? As much as guys move around, do they need to belong in a "category" of every minor-league team they ever played for? Just curious. Maybe another discussion topic for the project page.

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rivals" junk, as well as pointing to non-existent articles, was somebody's invention. Where articles exist, such as Yankees-Red Sox, Dodgers-Giants, Cubs-Cardinals, Cubs-White Sox, etc., the rivalry stuff actually has merit.

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You reverted that a-none's running commentary on the 2006 season (which I might agree is a bit excessive) by pointing to the "What Knowledge Is Not" page, but did not point to the specific rule that is being violated.

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I've reverted your edit removing the rivalries. As it was worded prior to the delete it was not POV. Divisional rivalries are a certainty in all sports. And the Giants are a geographic/local rival both off and on the

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I am far(!) from your "diehard resident Akron fan" but I understand a little of what you are saying. Agreed, the red linked names on the current roster look tacky and should go. The roster however should stay.

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decided to build a new house, and over the years, that house was a home to some of the greatest baseball ever played. If I were to list out all of these great moments, it would be longer than the bill for the

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How about "Divisional Competition" and/or "Regional Competition"? There's something about the word "rival/s" that irks me when it's used in something that is supposed to be NPOV such as Knowledge. --

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eventually, but I do not know how far along that is. I was just sticking those at the bottom of the page as a stopgap for the time being. Maybe you could see if he wants some help.....

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I am nearing completion of the infoboxes for each MLB team and I wanted to run it by a few individuals before I ran it by the project and published them. Check out a finished one

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last season are too subject to change, which I can't say for stats and records "as of Month, Day, 2006." Knowledge is not here to offer news reports; that's for Wikinews. From

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called rivalries. I think we've just been turned off to the word by its earlier misuse here. However that doesn't have to make it a bad word to use in an encyclopedic context.

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process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Knowledge's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "

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roster. If a user has to update an article daily because the article keeps becoming outdated, there's a problem. Knowledge is not a news source/service or a directory (

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You can sign your name using three tildes, like this: ~~~. If you use four, you can add a datestamp too. Always sign comments on Talk pages, never sign Articles.

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You went into lengthy detail about the design of the Yankees' top hat logo. I didn't remove that (I'll leave that up to you) but I added that it's an "

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Basic stuff, like titles and retired numbers, to the infobox. Current/fun facts to a box at the bottom or as a paragraph in the actual article. --

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worked there; but what do all these events have in common? They fail to reach the level of greatness that the baseball that was played there did.

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Actually, I had not got around to doing anything with the Twins. In fact, the only obvious rivals currently, besides the Yankees (who are

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Looks good. Maybe replace "champs" with "titles" and add "Playoff appearances"? I'd still like to see the minor league teams, though.

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Current records and current stats in baseball become outdated almost concurrently. See other people's thoughts on current records:

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had put the Braves as an Interleague rival. They are no more rivals then the Chicago Bears and the Philadelphia Phillies are.

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It's also common to have none or few citations, but that's a problem on Knowledge (To see how much of a problem this is, see

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more often when you contribute. An edit summary helps others understand what you changed when checking the watchlist or the

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The playoffs have started! The Dodgers and Phillies have won their respective Division Series and will face off in the

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Quit reverting the section on famous fans. This is a very common section for articles dealing with sports teams (see

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Good work on the Aeros page. For the minor league team categories, I'd leave the discussion for the project page. --

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was not sure about how to handle "notes" about championships and retired numbers so I stuck the notes on the template

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Notability of the "Battle of Ohio" or the series unexplained, could simply be merged into team or season articles.

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here - I'm a fellow Wikipeidan and baseball fan, and noticed you've done some good work on the New York Yankees.

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time to be fleshed out before however. I'm standing by the A's and Giants articles as they've been reverted also.

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in the final round, 5 home runs to 3, although Hamilton broke a record with 28 home runs hit in the first round.

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policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to ensure

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by doing it and I should just let him be. Thoughts? I'm not an admin, so not quite sure how to handle it.

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member! Just a quick note: there is now an article improvement drive just for baseball-related articles at

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I noticed you've been adding the cats in some of these cases, so I thought I'd ask a question I posted to

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The Baseball Project promoted 13 lists to Featured status in August and 8 more in September. Amazing job!

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I removed the unreferenced tag because all of the info I posted is from the manga and anime series.

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Perhaps adding them this way: for example, with its own section in the box, the Yankees would have:

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notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on

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I limited the infobox to MAJOR LEAGUE info only, no Western League and no other minor league info

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I'd prefer not to drag other people into this, but could you have a look at the discussion at

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I'm posting this message on you Talk Page either because you've contributed to the article

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A combined eleven articles were promoted to Good Article status in August and September.

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Suggestion: Don't post it to users more than once. See where this becomes a problem

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I'm keeping the articles up to date, rather than having them for the previous season.

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Click on the Edit button on a page, and look at how other editors did what they did.

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If you want to argue with him, please don't do it on my talk page. And, it's worth

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rival), are teams in their division. So it's pretty much bogus. Good riddance.

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she'll save the baby without even considering how many men are on base!"

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Actually, I was creating that category, which is why it was redlinked.

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I noticed on some of the "alumni", when you link to their bio page (

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Just like I did. Assign it a parent category and description.

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stuck Jackie Robinson onto template rather than on each team

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