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dynasty descended, and he hypothesizes that later legend identified this standard with the banner of the legendary Kāwe, and that the
Sassanid rulers would have regarded it as a symbol of their dynastic legitimacy. The older article by Levy was a blank; it also deals with coins of this type, but I couldn't find any explanation about the vexillum in it. Note that, according to Sarre, the flag with the golden star on purple background (he says "sun" but he evidently means the same item) was a different symbol, which was used side by side with this one.
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and not the others? And why exactly do you think it is useful? And the problems I am referring to is that an anon editor was using your grouping as an argument to push for his own edits, so yes, I see problems ahead with this kind of groupings, for which this template is not intended (there are other
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I understand that you may be unhappy that your comments were removed, and I offer you my personal apology for any umbrage you feel. It was not my intention to offend or upset you. However, I have made it clear that I will not tolerate personal or potentially disruptive comments on that talkpage, and
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where it says: "There is no direct mention of the Derafš-e Kāvīān in the Avesta or in
Achaemenid or Parthian sources, but several scholars have argued that it is depicted in a damaged portion of the Alexander mosaic from Pompeii, the subject of which is the victory of Alexander the Great over Darius
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Okay, thanks. But then I'll remove the image. As long as it's not sourced, we must assume it's just the uploader's or somebody else's fantasy reconstruction. If you see a description in the EncIr article that is anywhere precise enough to draw a picture after, please point me to it; I can't see any.
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image. According to him, the vexillum pictured on these coins (i.e. apparently something involving a diagonal cross inside a square, and with four smaller circles in the four sectors) must have been a standard used during the
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Note "By the 6th century a “national flag” had emerged, called Derafš-e Kāvīān (q.v.), which consisted of a heavily bejeweled purple background, a star (aḵtar) as the emblem, and red, golden, and purple streamers". (these last things are explicit in
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Ok. But disruptive? Interesting. One major issue is the "naming" in that article. I do not remember talking about other editors in my last comment there. I pointed out that the article was called "Iranian Azeris" which based on WP:NAMING is the correct one. And your reason "almost all articles on
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we have an unreliable website mirroring an academic text from
Encyclopedia Iranica, which mentions the "Kaviani". The (reliable) EncIr article has no images and doesn't offer any claims about the shape of the symbol, but the editors of the mirrored rip-off have added their own images to it,
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Azerbaijani people use Azerbaijanis" is not understandable for me because we are talking about Iranians whereas most other article in wikipedia you saw are talking about citizen of Arran. Did you read about the Greece - Macedonia example? (as a guide only).
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Okay. Actually, deleting might not even be necessary – I've just removed them from the articles and noted on the image description pages that they are unsourced. (They are on
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Thanks. Right, it's all a mess. So far we know that A: Farokh has made a reconstruction (in his book and website), 2004 could be just a date he "made it"! B: It is not all due to him as, from what you link, in
Pahlavi's
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book cites this information to another publication of his, "Farrokh 2004", but I can't figure out what that is supposed to be – the bibliography is not accessible on Google books, and his online bibliography
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Ok. I will use this space to list the first references found in internet which could be used: 1. In Persian Knowledge (XXG) the image is attributed to Kaveh Farrokh (
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