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article shows how Greeks ignore ethnic minority issues." How can you say such a thing? How can you discredit me, without knowing anything about me? And, really, those candidates you refer to did appear in local media, they always do. But, of course, they didn't appear in nationwide media, as they were not notable enough. For example, did all the other candidates appear in nationwide media? Did you see all the local candidates appearing there? Of course not. And, this is not the situation only here. Do you think that in any country each and every local candidate appears in nationwide media? And, of course, it's natural. If, for example, a news or any other TV show could have
Papandreou or Karamanlis, or even, Papathanasiou or Bakoyanni as guests, why would they invite a local candidate instead? However, these religious minority candidates did appear in local media, and, have in other occasions appeared in nationwide ones, too.
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European Court of Human Rights, but, that just shows how inadequate our political science and law professors are. :P
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press. Greek press, what a joke! As if I couldn't write in something as Stoxos, in a really nationalistic manner, and then, go on as to how each and every week, my so valuable scientific views are publicised in the Greek press. Get a life, Xene, this land is Greek and at some point, you will have to either change attitude or leave it. :D
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Still no answer on what constitutes a "a well known Greek response to criticism". Not to mention that pretending to be an academic won't get one very far here, what matters in WP are your sources. And what's with Greek nationalists and racists? I thought all Greeks were nationalists and racists. Why
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All of your statements about me are incorrect. This shows how little you understand of the situation. Greece has a Balkan mentality and a problem with nationalism: that's the issue, not what my opinions are. i happen to be expert on certain socio-political phenomena and qualified to comment on them.
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Greece is humiliated by people like our politicians and government officials, including our lawyers in ECHR, the people in Greek
Helsinki monitor and the such. It is also humiliated by those idiots buying Liakopoulos' books and believing that one day the Greek DNA will be activated, and that Greeks
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I describe an educational problem in Greece, which is well known to all university professors of history. Their revised version of the common schoolbook on Greek history was rejected after ignorant nationalists campaigned and the previous government gave in to populism and nationalism by rejecting
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Yeah, right... :P I guess you're one of those people who would award Obama the Nobel Peace Prize, just because he exists. Which, of course, has already happened. "Us nationalists" as you phrase it, however live in the real world and have to face the things you write your opinion about in the greek
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The Greek press regularly publishes my and others' scientific views on the appalling nationalism and bias in Greece. Many others are filing complaints in the ECHR which is why Greece is humiliated on a continuous basis. There is no court to deal with WP so you nationalists get away with it here. I
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Just a personal note to express sadness that the bias and nationalistic propaganda on WP continues. As usual, the Greek lack of respect for expertise accompanies their own inflated egos. I shall not waste any more of my time with Greek assholes on WP. Write your nationalistic crap, let the world
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That person employs racist rants and foul language,all the while hiding behind facile excuses that offend our intelligence. His outburst about "assholes" and "peasants" is evidence enough. What more do we need him to say? That "some of his best friends are Greek"? I just hope he finally got it,
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Say, if you voted for Pasok or ND, you'd write in a widely circulated newspaper, and not Proletariaki Simaia, on which you'd write if you were a member of KKE (M-L). In any case, however, that doesn't mean that what you write is right. You're being a diva
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I do not make racist comments. I respond to the nationalistic and propagandistic mentality which has been taught in Greek schools for most of the last century. That is not racism, it is an attempt to bring logical analysis to
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I disagree with you. Strongly if I may say so. I have yet to see a feast to honour those precious minority candidacies in European developed countries, let alone the United States. Yet, you're free to have an opinion of your
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