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R. Gordon Wasson, Maria Sabina or the one about peyote that clearly states that it doesn't grow anywhere near Oaxaca. You won't be confused with the facts but you think that your complete speculation that has absolutely no basis in reality is good enough to be included in an on-line encyclopedia. I see that your main avocation is engaging in edit wars in subjects of which you are ignorant and that you are an expert in taking drugs. Getting high and engaging in wild speculations is no substitute for study and drug-induced speculations have no place in a knowlege-based endeavor like wikipedia.
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completing puberty during that time frame (not that they are done). I have never come across a reliable source that says both boys and girls are usually done with puberty by age 16. Most sources always list boys having completed puberty a little after girls, which makes sense, since they usually start puberty a little after girls. That said, I did leave in "16" for the usual puberty completion age for boys, since you provided a source for that; I simply altered it to 16-18 (instead of 17-18, like it was before your edits, or 16-17, like it was after your edits).
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in the body. Most psychedelics carry the same risks. So there is no need to keep such tags there. Also there is no need to remove the venn diagram as it already had a citation needed marker, so I'll restore it. I'll leave your other edits up as they are ok, but don't just make a gazillion edits without seeking a consensus first ;). Thank you.
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You won't read any of them so how would you know? I guess you are conceding that there is no evidence for your position except for your delusions. The burden of proof is actually on you. You have to prove that they do use peyote. One can't prove a negative. The famous example of this is the question:
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LSD contradicts usual categories? What categories are you referring to? Government classifications that lump every psychedelic in class A or schedule 1? Sorry but that isn't good enough to use. LSD is very similar to psilocybin and carry the same risks and such. Same with DMT, which btw is produced
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Although I agree with what you are saying in some respect. The terms are obsolete. I have a degree in anthropology and the terms are not widely used or accepted. When we spak about these terms we must realize they were written with a racial slant. You are taking this a bit too personal. Although I
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I do not wish an edit war. I not a fighting person. I moved NA to above
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of the side-effects there (even the ones you didn't add) are sourced, so it's sort of a crappy article. I could revert you again, but is the article really any better the way it was? Not really. It's all a bunch of speculation and
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Can you please provide evidence that South Asians were ever categorised as part of the "mediterranean race". Please do not quote David
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Yes you are correct that the entire paragraph could and maybe should be removed. If some editor did remove the entire paragraph, I wouldn't oppose it. However, I'm also not wrong in removing just caffeine as according to
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sincere? I only ask because it seems to me to be a joke. If it was sincere it will need a citation. I see you are a very helpful editor, this is not meant as any sort of discouragement.
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include." As far as lack of concentration being a rare side effect, I don't know what the heck you are talking about... that's not what happened when I went to college, hehehe....
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You fool, none of that line is referenced remove the whole paragraph then if your going to talk bs like this. Caffeine requires a citation but thc doesn't? Stop playing games.
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I'm not, this pic originally appeared in the cannabis smoking and the cannabis pipe article and is clearly noted that it has cannabis it. Just ask the author of the pic.
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