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of Knowledge (XXG). The issue reduces down to the whether the most prevalent notations and units in a particular field/context should be used or the most "correct" and universal notations and units and what weight should be used in representing them in articles. There are of course factors beyond commonality of usage that do come into play that can make this complex; however, the positions that Kehrli takes are far from the sort of subtlety you might expect from the average editor. This case involves two notations/units. One has many literature sources over many years the other essentially one (from 2010), although Kehrli interprets a couple others to his/her favor. There are no harmonization committees that have even considered weighing in on this. There are some documents that have broad applicability that could possibly be interpreted to suggest that one is better than the other, maybe. The only person doing such interpretations is Kehrli. Essentially, Kehrli claims that we should use this new notation because it is better in his/her opinion. This particular case is a good example, but please look beyond it and find a persistent solution. Should common units that might be interpreted here on Knowledge (XXG) discussion pages as being on conflict with metrological standards be deprecated by Wikipedians, themselves? Should nascent units that are consistent with metrological standards trump established, common units that are not (according to whom)? Should we have a wikipedia page about every unit ever proposed, but that has really never/yet taken off? Does context matter? Can different fields use different units? I think all of this is well summarized in Knowledge (XXG) documents such as weight, yet in this case there needs to a persistent and enforceable guidance for Kehrli as he/she persistently misinterprets these over many years and is not open to guidance that lacks teeth. --
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chemistry-centric view and misses the bigger picture. He does not realize that Knowledge (XXG) is not a site for chemists and that therefore a language must be used that is free of jargon and that can be understood by regular Knowledge (XXG) users. This translation from jargon to understandable language is what I have been promoting. The "understandable language" is given by the
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Kmurray tries to frame the issue as a disagreement on methods. This is not true. It is purely a disagreement on terminology. Kmurray pushes an outdated chemistry jargon that nobody can understand outside chemistry. Unfortunately, this outdated jargon is still used in chemistry even though it does not
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The case has already been accepted and Kkmurray has given an excellent statement above. I will only add that I would like to see as an outcome a more persistent solution to the problem than resolving this one issue. This is not a content dispute per se, it is a philosophical dispute about the nature
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This is in some way a continuation of the case that resulted in a ban and editing block in 2006. This ban was the result of ambiguous wording in an article to which I referred. In the mean time, one of the authors of this article in question came to Knowledge (XXG) and clarified the ambiguity in my
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The current dispute relates to the terminology used to describe "Kendrick analysis". Kmurray insists on a term "Kendrick mass" that is not properly defined and hence the understanding what it means is ambiguous. Kmurray failed to give a definition and its source of "Kendrick mass". Still he insists
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The current dispute relates to the units associated with the quantity called Kendrick mass. The majority of sources identified in the mediation process indicate that the unit associated with Kendrick mass is the Dalton unit (abbreviated Da). The minority source view is that the unit associated with
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in the articles in question. Thanks to the guidance of the Mediation Cabal over the past few months, important issues of sources and weight related to the article content have been thoroughly discussed. Unfortunately, the unwillingness of Kehrli to compromise has moved the dispute beyond article
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If we continue with arbitration, the real issue (jargon vs. understandable language) will not be judged properly because this can only be done by experts in metrology. It will come down to a judgment about formal editing behavior. Even then I should win this case because Kmurray has engaged in
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article, 2) in the article lead cite the majority view of the "Dalton unit" approach and note the minority view of the "Kendrick unit" approach, and 3) include an additional mention of the Kendrick unit approach in the article body. This compromise was supported by Kkmurray and Nick Y. but not
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Kmurray claims a majority position without having supplied any proofs or sources for that claim. He also relates his "majority position" to the chemistry community, which is not appropriate. Majority in this case should refer to the whole field of science. All in all Kmurray has a very
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I do not think arbitration is the correct venue. This case is purely technical and should go to mediation with a mediator that is an expert in metrology. The limited information from the user pages would lead me to believe that
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This is a continuation of tendentious editing in articles related to mass and mass units that resulted in Kehrli's ban and editing block in 2006. Arbitration appears to be the only remaining recourse in the current situation.
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on this term. This is ok with me. What is not ok is that he deletes and changes my articles and my edits which use better, more modern and well defined terminology that is according to the international rules of
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Kmurray has good intentions but also has deeply held misconceptions and an unwillingness to negotiate and compromise coupled with aggressive POV editing that make it impossible for him to follow the concepts of
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0) Should any user subject to a restriction in this case violate that restriction, that user may be blocked, initially for up to one month, and then with blocks increasing in duration to a maximum of one year.
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in the articles in question. The Mediation Cabal over the past few months failed due to the lack of technical knowledge of the mediator, the unwillingness of Kmurray to provide sources and to compromise.
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Kehrli has good intentions but also has deeply held misconceptions and an unwillingness to negotiate and compromise coupled with aggressive POV editing that make it impossible to follow the concepts of
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which is an international consensus on language on quantities and units. However, the understandable language I choose can also be sourced from chemistry publications about the Kendrick analysis.
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has a strong technology background and is maybe best qualified to understand the issue and do a proper mediation. However, I do understand that I may be too late with this suggestion.
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supported by Kehrli. While informal mediation was successful at identifying appropriate sources, it was ultimately unsuccessful in achieving agreement on due weight.
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within the field. Exceptions may be made for valid reasons, such as in historical contexts, or in articles concerning the units of measurement themselves.
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Kendrick mass is a new Kendrick unit (abbreviated Ke). The compromise proposed by mediator Lord Roem was 1) merge the content fork
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disruptive editing by renaming an article I created without any prior discussion and thereby started the case (see diff
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comply with the IUPAC green book, e.g. the rules of terminology that the chemists agreed on.
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Ditto, looks like all options of dispute resolution or consensus-finding have been tried.
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at this point, it seems it's reached the threshold for Arbcom's remit.
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ask the enforcing administrator to reconsider their original decision;
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Arbitration
Requests
Case
Main case page
Talk
Evidence
Talk
Workshop
Talk
Proposed decision
Talk
AGK
Talk
NuclearWarfare
Talk
David Fuchs
Talk
Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry
Talk
Knowledge (XXG) Arbitration

About arbitration
Talk
Arbitration policy
(CU/OS)
Guide to arbitration
Noticeboard

+
Talk

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