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History of violence against LGBT people in the United States). The White or Yellow Pages. Contact information such as phone numbers, fax numbers and email addresses are not encyclopedic. Directories, directory entries, electronic program guide, or a resource for conducting business. For example, an article on a radio station should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, etc., although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable. Likewise an article on a business should not contain a list of all the company's patent filings. Furthermore, the Talk pages associated with an article are for talking about the article, not for conducting the business of the topic of the article. Sales catalogs. Product prices should not be quoted in an article unless they can be sourced and there is a justified reason for their mention. In general, if mainstream media sources (not just product reviews) provide commentary on the price of an object instead of just passing mention, this is an indication that its price may have encyclopedic significance. Prices listed by individual vendors, on the other hand, can vary widely from place to place and over time. Knowledge is not a price comparison service to be used to compare the prices of competing products, or the prices of a single product from different vendors. Changelogs or release notes. An article about a product should include a history of its development and major improvements; creating a list of all changes to software or hardware between each minor version violates other precepts of this policy. Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations, such as "People from ethnic/cultural/religious group X employed by organization Y" or "Restaurants specializing in food type X in city Y". Cross-categories like these are not considered sufficient basis to create an article, unless the intersection of those categories is in some way a culturally significant phenomenon. See also Knowledge:Overcategorization for this issue in categories." not one of them involves the above lists but i aint going to try change it as consensus trumps most other policies and consensus is clear delete but it seems to be founded on misused guidelines
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That is a bogus and spurious argument. The point is that the lists need to be maintained and update and ARE useful reference material, especially if they reference something outside your country of origin. Knowledge is not a regular encyclopedia, it is a living document that is suppose to help people find the knowledge they are looking for. I reasonably rely upon this source and I don't want people who think it is useless to delete all my secondary guides. That is what the lists are for. They help guide and direct you to primary sources.
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fictional). If you want to enter lists of quotations, put them into our sister project
Wikiquote. Of course, there is nothing wrong with having lists if their entries are famous because they are associated with or significantly contribute to the list topic. Knowledge also includes reference tables and tabular information for quick reference. Merged groups of small articles based on a core topic are certainly permitted. (See Knowledge:Stand-alone lists#Appropriate topics for lists for clarification.)
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Hi Lanaii, welcome to
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fwiw, some of these are clearly well-sourced and encyclopedic and some are clearly impossible to ever become so, but I am not going through the list to pick which are which; and my disagreement with the notdir argument has already been stated and echoed. I do applaud these two bundle noms for getting
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This is ridiculous. I don't want to waste my time here as I did on the article. Consider this my last comment here. This is what I don't like about
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I am not a editor-at-large here on
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How many times does it need to be pointed out that NOTDIR does not present a comprehensive list of inappropriate content? The principle is what matters here, and arguing that these lists are not literally mentioned in NOTDIR and thus can't be deleted on that basis is itself a bureaucratic argument.
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Disagree, all those channels listed are targeted at the UK even if they can be received elsewhere in the footprint. Any of your other concerns can be fixed by normal editing e.g; including channels at other inclinations, and non-FTA Channels - the key is that listing by coverage country is a valid
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Genealogical entries. Biography articles should only be for people with some sort of fame, achievement, or perhaps notoriety. One measure of these is whether someone has been featured in several external sources (on or off-line). Less well-known people may be mentioned within other articles (e.g.
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Neither of those lists (La Liga, former UK channels) is included in this AFD, nor are either of them guides to individual cable providers' channel lineup, so let's not get distracted by completely different things. The reason why these lists have been nominated for deletion and others have not is
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This is another example of buercrate use of guidelines and they are guidelines to achieve what someone wants. All these arguments about not a directory are invalid quote "Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics such as (but not limited to) quotations, aphorisms, or persons (real or
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Knowledge shouldn't be used to list everything for which there is human
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You don't understand. Many channels can not be simply accessed; Zattoo is an IPTV system. You can not view all channels in one country, instead you can view particular channels. Zattoo is not something visible in the TV. It is an internet system.
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as stated in the previous AFD. It is well-referenced and notable. No way it is a directory. It shows which channels are available in a certain country. Furthermore I put at a lot of work in it and deleting it now would be more than ridiculous.
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