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Yes, DGG, that hits the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. If we can get the other four nominees in similar shape, I'd be more than happy to withdraw my nomination of all five of them (another similar-looking dozen have been posted on my talk page - IP has already expanded about two-thirds of
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that took place in the period. A list with material limited to that in articles on notable
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Articles need to grow. I've added 4 more to 1300. It took a few minutes. I think that deals with what B.Wind wants--for anything in a historically well-studied period and country it will always be possible to do this. I'll do the others tomorrow. They are not indiscriminate--indiscriminate would be
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every one of those listed here, and a number others listed on B.wind's talk page, have now been populated. Using only information on
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I'm remaining with a Delete position for now. There aren't current history-by-country-by-century articles by century to merge into. It sounds like consolidation to history-by-country-by-century is the idea which would achieve the most agreement in this discussion. That's the level where there's
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In principle there is nothing unencyclopedic in " in " articles. This is what an encyclopedia, especially an online one, is for: looking for information by year, by place, by name, by concepts and so on. So we should at the very least keep the ones having more than one item, populate them and, in
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Even with a few added entries, this is still scraping the bottom of the barrel to the level of a non-encyclopedic cross-categorization. How about much wider timeline list articles than just one year apiece, to build unquestionably substantial articles? Perhaps 1100s, 1200s, 1300s and 1600s in
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Italy? Or they could be named for the 12th, 13th, 14th and 17th
Centuries in Italy, depending on precedent from other articles. If not by century then the History of Italy is the only other unquestionably appropriate place. Doing one year apiece will set a trend for recurring AfD fodder.
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providing some information about the material in which they appear, thus facilitating identification and browsing. Browsing is a key function of an encyclopedia. It is considerably easier keeping articles of this sort and adding content, than merging and then unmerging.
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Another update. Two more nominees are expanded - I have modified my recommendation accordingly. Side note: this would have been much better handled if the articles were created only when there are at least three entries for each of them. This bordered on silly.
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have the same sort of aim, I think that possibly from 1000 - 1800 we should have decades or centuries (i.e. Years of the 1600s in Italy), rather than an individual article. I just created the pages to have them grow. Could you possibly redirect
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is that it can be done an item at a time, as they occur--the need to do a whole batch year by year would only be present if we were preparing a one-time print publication. If it comes to that, I think this could be done for
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