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is no deadline. So the question becomes: if they are to be merged, who will do it and then when they are developed will they be split out again? The
Razorbacks football redirect is another set of articles and though it is an example of how enthusiastic editors for that particular team have chosen to develop the platform, it certainly isn't a mandate of method by any stretch. We can look at
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remember, the question here is not "is the article written in a way that is incomplete" but "is the subject notable" which is regardless of the current state. While it's possible that an article could be so poorly assembled that it should be deleted and start over, I don't see that as the case here.
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I would have no objection to merging the articles if they are actually merged... and I admit there isn't much there to merge at the moment. But there is a far cry between "saying they should be merged" and then "actually merging them" -- I would rather see the articles be developed. Remember, there
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Well, questions could be posed regarding a "keep" !vote, too: if they are kept, who will develop them? Anyone can merge them, and anyone can split them out again. Looking at other articles about early individual college seasons, I doubt there will ever be a need to split them out again. Anyone
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searching for information on an individual season or to add details about a season will be directed to the main page on the team. Better to combine efforts to create one good article rather than numerous perma-stubs.
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