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is no deadline. So the question becomes: if they are to be merged, who will do it and then when they are developed will they be split out again? The Razorbacks football redirect is another set of articles and though it is an example of how enthusiastic editors for that particular team have chosen to develop the platform, it certainly isn't a mandate of method by any stretch. We can look at
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remember, the question here is not "is the article written in a way that is incomplete" but "is the subject notable" which is regardless of the current state. While it's possible that an article could be so poorly assembled that it should be deleted and start over, I don't see that as the case here.
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did some research this morning and it turns out the 1905 Little Giants gave Notre Dame their only home-field loss in 125 games between 1899 and 1928. An accomplishment like that certainly would have been covered in the news extensively, way beyond any "routine" box scores. It stands to reason that
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I would have no objection to merging the articles if they are actually merged... and I admit there isn't much there to merge at the moment. But there is a far cry between "saying they should be merged" and then "actually merging them" -- I would rather see the articles be developed. Remember, there
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Well, questions could be posed regarding a "keep" !vote, too: if they are kept, who will develop them? Anyone can merge them, and anyone can split them out again. Looking at other articles about early individual college seasons, I doubt there will ever be a need to split them out again. Anyone
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searching for information on an individual season or to add details about a season will be directed to the main page on the team. Better to combine efforts to create one good article rather than numerous perma-stubs.
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The question is not "Is this a good article" but instead "is the subject notable" and those are two very different questions. If the subject is notable, the article should stay and is developed over time. Do not
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However, it appears that Wabash was playing at the top level of college football at the time, so I would not want to prohibit the creation of a proper article if editors want to find the sources to write one.
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by 15 years and even the NCAA by 5 years, college football teams during this time are widely considered notable for their play. There is an essay that outlines the argumentation in detail at
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turns up nearly 3,000 articles referencing Wabash football in the fall of 1905. The coverage includes significant coverage in the region's leading metropolitan newspapers, such as the
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not surprised to find nothing online about a 1905 event. Generally we keep season articles about teams that play "at the highest level" of the sport. Since this pre-dates the
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played at the highest level of competition for American football. The team's 1905 victory over Notre Dame was a major event of the 1905 season. Wabash also held close
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Pinging each of you to ask if you will take a fresh look now that the article has been expanded with substantial additional sourcing.
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with abundant significant coverage in numerous reliable sources. Wabash in the early 1900s under coach
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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I've struck my vote after the article improvements, and don't plan to comment further here.
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doesn't support an article for each season. It also is outdated. For example,
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Note: The 1905 Wabash - Notre Dame game was the subject of an article in the
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Here are some newspapers.com sources about the 1905 Wabash football team,
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Just for the record, those Arkansas seasons have their own aritcles, ex.
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coverage to justify per-year subpages, but there clearly is not here.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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The extensive online coverage located and sourced is clearly
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because the article contains virtually no information.
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