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America by July 12, with highs around 100 (38 ÂşC) for New York and Washington D.C." does not belong in an encyclopedia, because it is trivial and because is a crystal ball prediction, and because those would not be records. It is not the function of an encyclopedia to have an article about how hot it gets every summer and how cold it gets every winter in every part of every country. This is despite the fact that the weather (actual or predicted) is a part of every newscast and every newspaper, thus seeming to satisfy
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single article could cover all (but not no article on all). When the topics have notable differences, they should have separate articles. Perhaps at the end of the event, the results will be similar to other heat waves, and the article content can be merged. Until then, having a separate article for the developing story is appropriate.
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there is no requirement for a subject to be an extreme example to be notable. Extremes are notable, but
Notability only requires that people take notice, and this event has crossed well over that threshold. WP would be rather worthless if it only had articles on the best and worst of each subject.
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