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577:, very POV fork, very weakly sourced, extremely POV-looking article. All sources provided make strange claims and deductions, based mostly on primary sources (i.e. sites and media being attacked). No evidence provided of attack being performed by Russian intelligence services, although the article claims so. -- 546:. These days, cyberwars are fast becoming a routine part of life, so it's reasonable to cover them similarly to the way regular wars are covered. This gives us a ruling precedent: regular wars are commonly grouped by offensive. It would make no sense at all to, say, delete 224:. There isn't much difference, except that the latter is written with a much more neutral tone. We are already trying to trim the main article in all possible ways, but splitting of a three-line section only to rewrite it with a less neutral tone isn't really the way to go. 131:
series of articles, and it totally omits cyberattacks by Georgia on Russian infrastructure (RIA Novosti, Russia Today, etc websites were hit by cyberattacks). The substance within the article is already covered succinctly within the SO War series of articles.
87: 82: 91: 199:- main article is 141K. Merge is impossible. In fact, more articles like this should be created to reduce the size of the main article. Think of the people who measure their modem speed in baud. 74: 483: 180:, but not sooner. And if we split, then the article should be called "Information warfare in the 2008 South Ossetia war", and include alleged actions by both sides, not just by one of them. 378: 120: 487: 404: 634:
Every article starts out with a "sentence or two", including the ones that are deleted. Not a good argument. The two sentences can be merged into the larger article. --
78: 675:. This article can be expanded to cover cyberattacks against Russian sites, or a new article can be created for that. In any case, this is a valid article subject. 430: 70: 62: 470:, but as the article is missing the attacks on Russia, it is obvious this is a POVFORK which was created in order to not present all sides of the story ( 639: 603: 684: 661: 643: 629: 607: 586: 567: 536: 517: 494: 445: 419: 393: 368: 349: 330: 311: 297: 278: 262: 233: 208: 189: 162: 136: 56: 594:. There is no information in the article beyond a sentence or two, and I don't see it expanding. It is already covered in the war article. See 555: 466:. Given this information, and the suggestions of some editors to include attacks on Russian internet infrastructure, it should be renamed to 467: 635: 599: 17: 508:
reasoning above. This article meets relevant Knowledge criteria for notability and sourcing and should not be deleted. --
245:, rationale for deletion is rather lame. It is a reasonable topic for coverage with much potential for growth. Note that 617: 595: 246: 359:. In that period even wikipedians from Georgia could'nt edit in wikipedia. It coverd also in the Hebrew newspapers. 176:
is not too big. Please continue editing on this subject there. Wait until the section becomes too large and split
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Since when did we start deleting article stubs? This article has much potential for expansion. Note that
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is already huge. Thus, a creation of sub-articles is welcome. One can either include cyberattacks
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has quite rightly pointed out, the information on Georgia being hit by cyberattacks is already at
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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on the basis that it doesn't describe USA's counteroffensive in detail. There's a
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The website of the Government of South Ossetia was also hit by DDOS during the war.
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102 words. Most likely not more than 1.5KB. Not a viable spinout.
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grew into a large article and no one claimed it was a POV fork of
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Disinformation campaign during the 2008 South Ossetian war
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list of Georgia (country)-related deletion discussions
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The article can grow, and is valid in its own right.
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This article is a POVFORK, in that it is part of the
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2008 cyberattacks on Georgia, Azerbaijan and Russia
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Georgia here or make a separate article about this.
460:Here is the confirmation of Russia Today being hit 321:POV fork, mostly sourced from blogs and the like. 488:Information war during the 2008 South Ossetia War 464:Here is the confirmation that RIA Novosti was hit 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 702:). No further edits should be made to this page. 648:You can expand the corresponding chapter in the 405:list of Azerbaijan-related deletion discussions 8: 431:list of Russia-related deletion discussions 71:2008 cyberattacks on Georgia and Azerbaijan 63:2008 cyberattacks on Georgia and Azerbaijan 222:the corresponding part in the main article 174:The corresponding part in the main article 620:also started out with a sentence or two. 429:: This debate has been included in the 403:: This debate has been included in the 377:: This debate has been included in the 145:. This is notable and sourced. Article 172:. There is no need for this article. 7: 558:for that, and quite rightfully so. 480:2008 South Ossetia War#Cyberattacks 490:), if it is to be split at all. -- 24: 340:. 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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
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MBisanz
07:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
2008 cyberattacks on Georgia and Azerbaijan
2008 cyberattacks on Georgia and Azerbaijan
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2008 South Ossetia War
Russavia
00:43, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
2008 South Ossetia War
Biophys
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01:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
The corresponding part in the main article
Offliner
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02:32, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
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