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262:"Suicide bombing" has become a common term as it is less controversial than "terrorist attack". It may be that the person who titled it decided that "Suicide attack" would be a good way to avoid the phrase "terrorist plot" (though they should have phrased it more carefully as the attack didn't happen). I don't see how crystal balling comes into it. The arrests have been made - if it turns out that there wasn't an attack planned, then it changes from a notable attack attempt into an even more notable abuse of power by the government. 496:
Now that the title has been moved to include the words "alleged" and "plot", this barely even qualifies as news, let alone notability. I'm glad that there was no attack and that this was foiled before it happened, and perhaps it should be mentioned in the article about the police who stopped this
446:, that (if successful) it would be "the most serious terrorist attack on Australian soil". The last bit is opinion but the fact is it has been said all the same even if proven to be false at a later date. That in itself would have consequences. -- 220:
terrorism, even unsuccessful attempts, has a significant impact in Australia. They are the subject of significant ongoing media coverage, from the initial raids to the court cases, something that cannot be covered in a single Wikinews article.
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The title is imaginative, it is not a current event as it never occurred and the allegations haven't been proven yet. Knowledge (XXG) shouldn't get involved in the anti-muslim scare campaign that has replaced Cold War rhetoric since
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says "Australia has suffered few terrorist incidents on its soil, the best known being a 1978 bomb attack outside a Sydney hotel hosting a Commonwealth meeting, which killed two people". It has also been said, according to
238:, these are allegations and whole text of the article is "Three people in Sydney, Australia, have been charged with attempting to launch a suicide attack on an army base." Title is grotesquely misleading. Also, by 286:. There was significant media coverage about Molly, the dog lost for 10 years and a school girl's absentee note that was written by Barack Obama, but we don't have articles for those.- 157: 124: 409: 637:
for now, per above. There are no concrete details yet other than sensationalist speculation by the press, lets wait until we have some details before writing an article.
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The individuals charged with the plot are entitled to the presumption of innocence, but notability is ensured regardless of whether an attack was planned or not.
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says it was "the result of a seven-month surveillance operation" and that "the mass counter-terrorism operation" was "the second-largest ever in Australia".
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Please try to assume good faith. The title needs fixing, but the body of the article sticks to the facts and cites the BBC, not tabloid media.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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for the present. An article can be developed separately in the future if needed.
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I have no particular opinion but I have some comments and quotes.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Article previously proposed for deletion, and there's
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