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Wikiprojects, well again, that's a lot of work - one for every county/city/other irrelevant sub-division. It may also lead to a bias in the vote since individuals involved in the relevant projects would no doubt favour keeping such articles - 'county nationalists', and all that. I have notified the UK-wide politics section as I thought this would be the most relevant.--
1630:. Most media outlets break results down into the constituent sub-nations of the UK, though some outlets do break the results in England down into the English regions. I am yet to see any media outlet give county results. I commented in the UK Politics WikiProject about the suggestion to merge the articles a few days ago now (see
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Whilst I appreciate you are opposed to the deletion of these articles, do you think you could help a little bit too? Clearly this stuff is new to me, and I am struggling to find all of these articles (which rather demonstrates the concern of having thousands of irrelevant articles all over the
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