813:: Moving on from from that particular point, I would like to address Wikireader41's claim that this article would be notable even if the protagonists are acquitted. He offers a rationale for this - that it would document islamophobia. Thus far, I have found no sources which raise this point about this plot. The authorities say that this is not a religiously motivated plot (according to the Wall Street Journal article). Saying that this will be covered in reliable sources as islamophobia is
322:? Note the 500+ instances of "significant coverage in reliable and independent sources." GNG is easily satisfied by many news events of far less importance than alleged and prosecuted plots to commit mass murder for terrorist purposes. We added NOTNEWS to avoid Knowledge (XXG) being a mirror of every water-cooler story or routine crime story, which this is not. This case has already
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770:: "This guideline is intended to explicate the primary notability guideline with regards to current and past real events, as well as breaking news." this article is covered under breaking news. If Plot Spoiler is withdrawing his claim, it might be helpful if he crossed out the relevant sentence in his original post.
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Yes we have established that and you yourself agreed that that is not a required standard. can we stick to discussing if this articles breaks accepted WP guidelines for having an article and stop discussing irrelevant things on AfD. whether this topic is more notable or less notable is immaterial
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as a widely-reported criminal act. Though I do agree that "Alleged" would be a better title until the charges are confirmed. The word "plot" in that title is also problematic in that the men didn't seem to have any one specific plot or even set of plots, but were buying ammunition to make future
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