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articles about all of that. We even have articles about years in general. The year 2016 has an article. Under your logic, why does it exist? Years happen all the time. Yet we have articles for thousands of different years in history, some of which were very uneventful. Either keep this article, or merge it into a larger May Day article, but deleting it is a mistake.
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Is the articles about riots concerning Trump? If so, most of the outside US riots do not belong--according to CNN, the ones outside the US were on unrelated causes. Or is the article about 2017 May Day events in general--if so, it does not belong under the series. Your argument about May Day being
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I respect your opinion and want to understand your position better. Do you think the Olympia, Portland riots are currently significant? Should we keep other recurring events where nothing out of the ordinary occurred? Like, say, an annual beauty contest? Seems like your answer to both has to be "no"
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The have been May Day protests every year since it became a politically charged annual occurrence. A few of them were particularly significant, for various reasons. There is no reason to think this is, except that it's the one people here are most recently aware of, and are in a particular extremely
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merit an article in the days after it occurred (it also involved crowds blocking streets and men in bandannas smashing stores)? I don't know. So we leave ourselves open to I like it/I don't like it arguments. To me there's a high likelihood of enduring significance -- I know the region pretty well,
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The Article describes a noteworthy event, which was the May Day protests of 2017. It most certainly was a widespread event, triggering protests worldwide and some riots. "There are May Day protests every year," but there are superbowls, world series and NBA playoffs every year. We have separate
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I may be wrong, but at first glance I'd assume the two protests you mention each took place in one city? There were May Day protests this week all around the world. I'm not proposing we keep articles about May Day protests for each city; I'm proposing we keep one article about
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To me, the fact that these happen every year is more reason to keep this article because it's a large event with a lot of international media attention and lasting effects. Not to mention the fact that this took place in multiple different cities and is a part of an ongoing
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Previous May Day articles only seem to focus on the Pacific Northwest. The only violent incidents reported nationally were from Olympia and Portland. I don't think run-of-the-mill peaceful demonstrations can be considered notable when they happen literally every weekend.
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Re: "I was somewhat surprised and a bit disappointed that you started this new article without chiming in on that, Another Believer". I'm sorry, I did not see this talk page discussion and the "Protests against Donald Trump" article is not on my watchlist.
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popular cause--to avoid misunderstanding, in my opinion popular for good reason. They might become been notable if they should turn out to lead to something historic, like a presidential renomination. Otherwise, the votes here are basically ISUPPORTIT.
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notable each year individually would implies that this does not belong under Trump. It also means we should have separate articles for each 4th of July since 1777. Not to mention each individual Guy Fawkes Night, Christmas Day, Easter Sunday, etc.
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per Another Believer. It seems like a reflex for each of these protest articles to go to AfD. The only way we are going to be able to deal with these repeated, individualized, massive number of protests is through sidebar articles like this.
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This is an attempt to use Knowledge for publicity and/or original research. Most of the sources are news articles about annual occurrences. If no individual protest was notable, gathering a list of twenty of them should not make it notable.
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I'm not going to take a side here, but I do see a double standard. For example, articles relating to protests in India, the largest democracy in the world, are routinely deleted. I have created articles about protests in the UK. See
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Indeed, "There are May Day protests every year", just as there is a World Series, Oscars and a host of other annual events. What makes it notable is the worldwide breadth and scope of sources about the protests that day.
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You say "currently significant". If so, that's a direct violation of NOT NEWS. "Knowledge considers the enduring notability of persons and events. " This is an encyclopedia , and we need permanent significance.
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Except this article will not be about the Pacific Northwest specifically, once expanded. 2017 protests took place throughout the United States and around the world. An expanded article would look more like
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or something similar. It happens every year, with varying degrees of notability, and warrants inclusion as a series of events rather than a single instance each time.
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With respect to your article creation history 1) nominating an article barely 6 hours old counts as "knee jerk" in my book and 2) repeated nominations of this sort
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Also, riots in Olympia are not commonplace. Especially considering it was a political riot in the Washington state capital, this is actually an historic event. -
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Once again a vexatious, knee-jerk delete nomination to go along with progressive-related Northwest and national themes immediately nominated for deletion like
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about creating a full article. I was somewhat surprised and a bit disappointed that you started this new article without chiming in on that,
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and like I said before, political riots are uncommon. Kind of like Black Panthers on the capitol steps
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The problem I see is that the deletion debate for any "current event" becomes a kind of
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Other recent noms I'd consider vexatious, with similar reasoning include
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Hmm, ok. I disagree, and I'd hope this article would also mention the
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