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once the initial dust has settled. This nomination is much too soon, as it seems quite likely that this event will receive significant global media coverage. Once some time has passed, we will be in a better position to properly assess whether this should be a standalone article, or merged into an
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I will rephrase a tad for clarity. I believe that a senior editor (or 2) should be tasked with editing this article from now on (meaning it is otherwise locked to anonymous editing and editing by non designated editors) and that they should be aware of all efforts made from the WMF side to get this
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Turkish authorities to lift the ban and also instruct that wikipedia staffer/editor to blog their efforts daily in this article until the ban is fully lifted and an assurance is delivered from their Presidents office
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is currently on the front page of BBC News. Do you think we should have an article on that as well? Knowledge (XXG) isn't a news ticker; for a subject to warrant an article on
Knowledge (XXG) you need to demonstrate that it complies with Knowledge (XXG) policy, not that you personally find it
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the way you are going about it. Your opinion is not worth any more than any other editors opinion at this moment in time. If the block continues then it will become a major worldwide news story in its own right and the development of this news story deserves an article.
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Knowledge (XXG) does not accept to censor unliked information (this is not an oversight case), it is not an easily resolvable issue, I doubt that it will suddenly be under the carpet in a few days...
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they did this, this is just another action to note in the above lists (eg it meets WP:V to be incldued on at least two existing topics), but a separate article clearly runs afoul of RECENTISM and NEVENT.
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ban lifted and that they should keep the article abreast of these efforts. I have not contributed to the article under discussion and will not do so in future.
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