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argument is a technical one, which I agree with, but based on this it is a technicality, rather then a notability issue. What I understand here is, Apple and PCs are two totally different computer systems, but your noting Apple is not notable because it is technically different, and has a smaller market share. On this I would feel that a source citation notation for the article would be more appropriate then a deletion. You also note that one of the articles is more about his handicaps then the net station, I would assume that is why the station is notable, because it was established by someone who had severe disabilities
483:. As for the references, this was addressed in the nomination rationale. The first and fourth references are from the same local newspapers, printed one day apart. The fourth reference in particular has a strong focus on the owner and his medical conditions; the article is more about him than his webcast. Together the citations do not constitute "significant" coverage. -- 501:
In your reply, you note that the first and fourth links were one day apart. Don't you think the fact that the station got two articles over two days is "significant" coverage? And also your argument keeps homing back onto the difference between internet radio and real radio. So the basis of your
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Whilst I agree that there are only a few references in the article, most of which link directly to the site the article is about, I have checked the artciles of three other radio stations, so far, all from the same area, Sydney, all of which contain only a few references, the majority of which link
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Internet "radio" station of dubious notability. There are a few refs in the article, but these are mainly from the station's own site. Those that aren't are more about the station's creator, who is blind and has Asperger's syndrome. The callsign used is not official and seems to have been chosen by
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directly, with 2PR FM as a side issue. Notability is not inherited. Just because Mark Boerebach may be notable (that's an issue for another AfD) doesn't mean that 2PR FM is. As for my argument "homing back onto the difference between internet radio and real radio", that's not at all correct. You
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Yes, I can see where you are coming from with "radio" vs "internet 'radio'" which is also known as "webcasting" - no argument there. Would the "Other Stuff Exists" rule apply for placing this article into the catergory of "Internet Radio Stations"? Should the articles regarding internet radio be
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Hi, I was wondering why the 2PR FM article is being targeted for deletion, as I noticed the sources from the bottom were from major newspapers like the ZD Net, Penrith Press, and the St. George Leader. I'm just rather curious as for example when checking WSFM 101.7s article, it only has two
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asked a question and I answered it. It is you who is homing. The fact that it's not real radio is not directly relevant to its nomination. However, it was important to note that this is not a real radio station because the callsign misleadingly implies it is. Callsigns are allocated by the
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renamed "webcasting"? Or should I take that up on the talk page of those articles? (Please note: I have a bad tendency to sound like I am being sarcastic when I'm not so if any of my questions come across as sarcastic please accept my apologies as they are not intended to be so)
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I have a few thoughts on this topic. First, however, I must debate the usage of the iverted commas around the word "radio" by the user AussieLegend. Please forgive me if I am mistaken, however, this reads to me like AussieLegend does not believe that
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back either to the web-site of the station or to a web-site owned by the station's parent company. Does this also make the stations of dubious notability and should thus be nominated for deletion? The stations in question are
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and they both point to the WSFM website. The first link above, pointers to a Antenna technical sight, which I'm not sure of the credibility of? Can anyone please elaborate on this first reference? many thanks
210:. When editing an article people are supposed to keep personal opinions out of it as humanely possible. Wehter or not internet radio is truly radio is a debate for the aforementioned article on internet radio. 154: 385:
When noting one of the opinions above as "net radio is not real radio", isn't this an opinion, and aren't the above four sources good enough to make this a notable article in it's own right?
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references, both of which are from the station site itself, and the other from an announcers blog. On the other hand with 2PR FM, the last four links on the bottom were these:
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Firstly "net radio is not real radio" is not an opinion, it's a technical fact. Net "radio" is more analogous to a telephone. Secondly, the
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general references given for article appear to be mostly the topic's own website and PR, and some blank WebCite pages.
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Further to my comments above, I've just checked the last two references out of the three given on WSFM's article.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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the station owner. A google search finds very little that isn't generated from the station's website
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is truly radio. Maybe it's not radio but Knowledge (XXG) has an article on the subject as well as a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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means that sources address the subject directly in detail". The fourth reference addresses
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Personal opinion has nothing to do with it, although my engineering specialty
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article is irrelevant here. A comparison with that article falls right into
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Two articles in a local community newspaper is not significant coverage.
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St George Sutherland Leader: Rainman in tune with a memorable talent
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Penrith Press: Blind DJ Announces Plans for New Web Station
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St George Sutherland Leader: Rainman radio goes retro
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turns up only vestigial third party coverage. Fails
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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
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Jayjg
05:19, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
2PR FM
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AussieLegend
talk
03:29, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
internet radio

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